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|"I want an aggressive Israeli..."|
|02/06/01 at 20:35:52|
|Robert Fisk: I want an aggressive Israeli to get the reins of power and go to war |
7 February 2001
"I hope Sharon gets elected." It seemed extraordinary, to hear these words from a survivor of the 1982 Sabra and Chatila massacre. But Amin Taha wasn't joking. His logic was as cold as the wind that blasted down the filthy alleyway outside his home.
"I want an aggressive Israeli to get the reins of power and initiate a war, because then there will be a reaction," he said. "There should be either peace or war. And there's no peace."
Among the tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, those who would not be allowed the "right to return" to their original home villages in northern Galilee by Ehud Barak and certainly not by Ariel Sharon the feeling is much the same: if the Palestinians could be demonised when resisting the army of that darling of the West, Ehud Barak, let the world see how the Israelis behave under Sharon.
It was put in more intellectual fashion by a leftist Palestinian intellectual who still works in the camps each day. "You people support the Israelis and the Americans support the Israelis," he said. "All right, you made Barak out to be a nice guy, even though he wouldn't give us back Arab Jerusalem, built more settlements than his Likud predecessor and refused our 'right of return'. So we were blamed for destroying peace.
"You were embarrassed when you had to deal with Netanyahu [Israel's previous prime minister].
"Now see if you can manage to support Sharon. See if you can approve his behaviour and claim we are the ones who destroy peace."
It's an argument as dangerous and shrewd as it is perverse that has spread through the West Bank and Gaza and even through the Israeli Arab community inside Israel, who were urged by their leaders to boycott yesterday's vote.
If the world gives such uncritical support for Israel, goes the theory, let it give the same unquestioning support to Sharon; then see how the world copes when its friend commits another Sabra and Chatila massacre.
The Arab regimes, meanwhile, watch Israel's internal politics with something akin to fascination. If they denied the democracy of Israeli elections, they would not be able to say as they will say that Sharon represents the Israelis. But the older Arab leaders, and a few who have died these past two years, have certain associations with Ariel Sharon.
Did not President Hafez al-Assad of Syria send his army to kill up to 20,000 in the Syrian city of Hama in 1982, scarcely seven months before Sabra and Chatila? Did not King Hussein of Jordan kill many more Palestinians in 1970 than Sharon's militia allies? Hasn't Saddam Hussein wiped out far more Iraqis than the mere 2,000 who were slaughtered at Sabra and Chatila?
It's a grim calculus, but by no means irrelevant. For once, the nation that so often points to the bloodstained hands of its Arab enemies will have its very own home-grown blood-spattered leader.
|Re: "I want an aggressive Israeli..."|
|02/07/01 at 09:09:00|
|It is true that the Arab rulers have killed many more Muslims then the Jews, this is not a green light for us to make peace with the brethren of the pigs and monkeys. Because they have killed enough as it is, and anyway it is Harram to give away even a hand span of Muslim land. Even if the Arabs make peace with them and give them all that they demand and may be even more then that, the Jews will initiate war to gain even more. They want all the land that was in the hands of Sulayman as. And as soon as it become possible for them to gain more then this, they will try and gain it. If we consider them as our enemy, we must learn why they do what they do. It is a fact the Jews of today don't follow the torah, they follow a book called the Talmud, in this book they are told that it is Hallal for them to steal, from non-Jews and the ruling of not killing only refers to Jews, they are told Allah only created non-Jews to serve Jews, just like Allah created animals to serve humans. This is their deen, there is no way to persuade them to stop the evil they do, as they believe evil is good, due to the book they follow.|
Today Israel is the world capital of flesh slavery, girls from the former Soviet Union and eastern Europe are kidnapped or conned(with promises of jobs) in to coming to Israel. There their passports are destroyed in front of them and they are auctioned of to brothels. The girls have no way out of this situation, once one pimp no longer requires them he sells them to another. If they escape, the Israeli government for entering the country illegally imprisons them. These brothels are mainly stocked by east Europeans(due to the fact Israelis like blondes) and to a lesser extent Palestinians. After clashes between Arabs and Jews, Jews often go to brothels to get their own kind of perverted revenge on the Palestinian slaves. This fact is well known. We can cry about it or do something that works. The Jews will not stop this and their other crimes as they don't regard them as crimes, Rabbis are customers. The "Muslim" rulers will not do anything to end this trade cause the same thing is happening to people who have been arrested for Islamic reasons in the prisons of the Muslim world.
The only way to end it is to remove the rulers who let this happen. The ones whose grandfathers fort the Othmani Khilafah, and gave Palestine to the British, so that the British can make Israel. These are the sons of the ones who created Israel,, they will never do anything that might lead to its destruction. These people will never leave office voluntarily. They need to be removed by force. Tears have never stopped armies or removed rulers. Tears can not liberate your sisters from Israeli brothels and there is no way they can avenge their honour. While we fight with tears the Zionist prepare armies. While we beg the rulers to do something to help, they negotiate peace with the enemy. While we imagine how nice it would be if our lands were ruled by good rulers, the rulers brain wash children in schools in to rejecting Islam and worshipping flags and nationalism. While we wish the rulers to be removed, they clear the armies of our lands of any people who love Islam. The armies in the Muslim land are the only people who can remove the rulers and fight the Jews. While most of us hope and dream of khilafah, they use all means in their power to keep the solders corrupted. Its time for the solders to realise the rulers will not leave office until they make them leave. And more importantly its time for us to realise the soldiers will not realise this until we make them realise it . .. . . . .
|Rabbi Lerner on Ariel Sharon: A Landslide of Woe|
|02/07/01 at 22:54:50|
|a different article!:|
Lerner does it again! Great article, and really describes why Barak lost and is a looser, etc, etc
Surviving Ariel Sharon
by Rabbi Michael Lerner
If there was an award for the person who played the greatest role in
undermining the possibility of peace between Israel and her neighbors
in the past twenty years, Ariel Sharon would get it. And if there is
one man who embodies the worst of Jewish macho, a
man who combines violence and arrogance with certainty about his right
to rule, it is Ariel Sharon.
In electing Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister to replace Ehud Barak ,
Israelis have picked a man who engineered the ill-fated war in
Lebanon, then was forced to resign after an Israeli commission had
determined he was responsible for war crimes that would have brought
him a long prison sentence under the standards the U.N. is now using
in Bosnia and Kosovo.
It was Ariel Sharon who engineered the creation of a network of
Israeli settlements in the West Bank for the explicit purpose of
making it impossible for there ever to be a viable Palestinian state.
And it was Ariel Sharon who, accompanied by 2000 Israeli armed guards
sent by Barak to ensure his safety, went to the Temple Mount this past
September and precipitated the violence that led to the dissolution of
peace talks and to the resurgence of his own hard-line Likud party.
Don't be surprised if Sharon as Prime Minister precipitates a
regional, possibly even a nuclear war. No one should underestimate his
How could a generous and country like Israel vote in a known murderer
and bully whose utterances over the years have led many to call him a
Ariel Sharon could never have won the support of the Israeli public
on the basis of his record-and even half a year ago he was considered
a right-wing extremist loser. But he had one secret weapon: Ehud
Barak's remarkable ability to convince the Israeli public and the
world media that he had offered the best possible deals and major
concessions but the Palestinian people would settle for nothing less
than the destruction of Israel. Given this self-portrayal, Israelis
imagined that they had been suckered into the peace process, and that
what they really needed was someone tough to stand up to the
Yet most Israeli peace activists tell a very different story. They see
a year and a half in which Barak did everything possible to send a
message of despair to Palestinians. For that reason, many peace
activists refused to vote for Barak-he was not seen by them as the
peace alternative to Sharon.
Barak was elected with a strong peace mandate. Had he moved
immediately with an open-hearted approach, he would have apologized
for Israel's years of Occupation, tortures, house demolitions, and
of Palestinian lands. He would have announced that Israel would
actively help in the creation of a Palestinian state, and would work
it to provide both for security concerns and for enough economic
state to be viable. In the meantime, he could have urged every
Israeli, as part of their patriotic duty, to meet on a regular basis
Israeli Arabs and with Palestinians in the territories to create a new
dialogue of reconciliation and mutual understanding. He could have
Israeli Army to engage its energies in helping to rebuild Palestine so
that it could recover from the hurts of the Occupation.
Had that been Barak's message, the energy in Israel would have flowed
toward hope. The most idealistic elements of Zionism would have been
linked to the ideals of Torah: "Thou shalt love the stranger." Though
some Israelis would have resisted, the spirit of service to others, so
Jewish soul, would have infectiously spread through Israel, and many
who now go
to India to find spiritual values might have found meaning in creating
between the descendents of Abraham and Sarah. Instead, Barak's message
was the opposite: that he would negotiate, but that he didn't really
trust the Palestinians, and for that reason he would expand
more roads, continue
with demolitions of Palestinian homes that had housing code
violations, and portray minimal concessions at negotiations as major
Barak depended on Israeli Arabs for his previous electoral victory,
but then refused to appoint even one Arab to his cabinet because that
might "discredit" the cabinet in the eyes of some Israeli racists. And
it was that same pandering to the Right that led Barak to allow Sharon
to vist the Temple Mount and then to define the Palestinian refusal to
accept his offer at Camp David and their inability to stop their
teenagers from throwing rocks at the occupying troops as proof that
"there is no longer a partner for negotiations." Had the U.S. used
similar standards in guiding us in Vietnam and demanded a cessation of
hostilities before we could negotiate we'd still be fighting that war.
Barak proved one thing conclusively: Israel has to choose between
settlements and peace-there is no middle ground. The way to build
peace is through peace, not through mobilizing forces to crush your
opponents. When you insist on having the upper hand and dictating
terms, you can sometimes accumulate power, but never reconciliation.
Sharon will pose grave dangers not only for the Palestinians, whom he
is likely to brutalize, but also to the entire region and possibly to
world peace. His propensity to solve conflicts with violence will take
on a new dimension when he has control over Israel's considerable
After Bill Clintons' failure to bring lasting peace to the Middle
east, President Bush may have wished to focus attention away from
international entanglements. But unless he can put serious constraints
on Ariel Sharon and convince Israelis that they would do better to
seek peace than to escalate conflict, Bush may find the U.S. dragged
into conflicts that will make the Iraq war look like child play.
It was George Bush senior who stood up to Israeli hard-liner Israeli
Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir and refused to allow U.S. loan
guarantees to Israel unless it stopped expanding its West Bank
settlements. It remains to be seen whether George W. will have that
kind of courage to challenge the new crew of reckless militarists who
will be running Israel in the coming years.
Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of TIKKUN: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique
of Politics, Culture and Society, author of Spirit Matters: Global
Healing and the Wisdom of the Soul (Hampton Roads, 2000), and rabbi
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