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|05/09/01 at 14:07:34|
|Why do not Muslim clerics around the world speak out agains the |
message hate Syria's leader delivered upon welcoming the Pope against Jews. Hassad
referred to Jews a Christ killers and said they think of themselves as "chosen
by God." This is a message of hate similar to the kind that brought on the
holocaust. And one of Syria's Chief Clerics stood by and approved it. Where is
Islam's reaction against this hate preaching?
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/09/01 at 14:19:15|
firstly Asad is not Muslim, he a nusayri.
secondly the jews them selves do believe they are the chosen people, its they them selves who say it, so how can others be discribed as haters when they repeat what the jews say. you sould be critasising the jews for saying "the difference between a jew and the gentile is like the difference between the animal and the human".
The fact that they regard them selves as the chosen people is why they have left there home countries to take some one elses.
every city that the jews have built there is built on the foundations of one they have distroyed, that belonged to people they regard as non chosen people.
Peace is possible, but only after people who have lost there homes have regained them. No one wants to live in slavery, they regard all others as their animals, and for them non chosen people are animals to be used for their race.
SO when Israel has been distroyed then we will make peace. we will then be able to live as fellow citizens, not slave and master.
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/09/01 at 15:52:41|
|Where is |
Islam's reaction against this hate preaching?
Where is the world's reactions against the hate of the Indians who rape our sisters in Kashmir and who murder our men? Where is the reactions against the hate of the US government and the UN that starves beautiful little Afghani children to death? Where is the reaction of the US and UN against the hate of the Turkish government that gloat at the suffering of thousands of Muslims? Where is the reaction of the world, of Christians, of Buddhists, of Hindus against the aparthied in Palestine? Where? Where was the reaction of the world and of Jews when their top Hasidic Rabbi invoked God openly, it was reported in the Media not too long ago, to annihlate the Arabs, to wipe them off of the face of the earth? Where was the reaction!?
Please buy yourself the book "Open Secrets" and a Talmud. There are parts of Talmud on web sites too. "According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists..."
The Syrian cleric described reality. Go buy a Talmud and read what it says about Jesus (A) in there, (astaghferullah!), that he will be boiled in hell in sperm? May God forgive me for even repeating such a thing!
We aren't hating. We are standing up for Justice. We are standing up for our rights. Don't hate the Muslims and we won't hate you. We only hate those that hate us. Those, whether Hindus, Jews or Christians, don't hate us, we don't hate them either.
On May 5, 2001, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad spoke a truth which the pope, President Bush, Russian Prime Minister Putin and many other powerful heads of state dare not say.
At a welcoming ceremony for the Pope as he arrived in Damascus, Assad told the Roman Catholic leader that the suffering of Arabs under Israeli occupation today was similar to the pain endured by Jesus.
``We see our brothers in Palestine being killed and tortured. We see that justice is being violated, lands are being occupied in Lebanon, Syria and Palestine,'' Assad said, clearly referring to, but not naming, the Israelis.
``They try to kill the principle of religions with the same mentality that they betrayed Jesus Christ and the same way they tried to betray and kill the Prophet Mohammad,'' Assad said.
Israeli President Moshe Katzav replied: "Just as the Vatican cleared the Jewish nation of the blood libel --responsibility for murdering Jesus -- so the Vatican has to respond to Assad's remarks and to correct his historic mistake,'' the Israeli president said.
Meanwhile, a prominent Syrian Catholic historian, Michel Munir, alleges in a new book that Pope John Paul is the architect of a conspiracy to undermine the Catholic church by placing it under the control of the Jewish religion. ''Ever since his election ... John Paul II has not spared any effort to strengthen the Jewish faction within the Catholic church,'' Munir wrote in his book ''A Synagogue Within the Church.'' Munir's book hit bookstores about a month before the pope's May 2001 visit to Damascus.
Another Syrian historian alleged on May 5, that American and European Zionists prodded the Vatican into absolving the leaders of the religion of Judaism of responsibility for the death of Jesus. Soheil Zakar, one of Syria's top historians, recently argued that ''immense pressure'' by American and European Zionist groups forced the Vatican in 1965 to absolve the Jewish religious heirs of the Pharisees from the ''historical responsibility'' for the death of Jesus.
''It is like a pope who comes along and says, 'I don't care about the historical side of Christianity and I am only concerned with the creation of a new Christianity for a new world,''' said Zakar, a Muslim who is the author of a 1983 book, ''Popes from the Jewish Ghetto.''
Bashir Zohdi, another Muslim historian, wrote: ''The pope is an important world figure and I believe that he has a responsibility to become more familiar with the details of the Palestinian question and to defend the rights of the Palestinians who are being killed every day,'' said Zohdi, who is director of Damascus' National Museum.
Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Contrary to what the Zionist leader Katzav claims, Pope John Paul II had no power to "clear the Jewish nation of...responsibility for murdering Jesus." Katzav betrays a lack of knowledge of Church theology. A pope can only confirm the Scriptures and uphold those Sacred Traditions which the Church alleges are Scripturally-based. John Paul II cannot nullify the Scriptural indictment of the Pharisses for the murder of Christ.
It is a documented fact that orthodox Judaism today is the continuation of the religion of the Pharisees. Only a crypto-rabbi, posing as the"Vicar of Christ," could pretend to have the power to alter the New Testament witness in this regard. Judaism will be guilty of deicide for eternity, but leave it to the Talmudists to seek a papal court order to get the Scriptures overturned. Sorry, Katzav, but the pope has no such power in heaven, though he has the mediagenic ability to make your diabolic religion look good on earth, if such a thing were possible.
We have not only the witness of the New Testament affirming the identity of the murderers of Christ. The Jewish Talmud itself gloats over His death, saying he got what He deserved.
History and the Bible have nothing to do with this issue, however. This is a political matter. Jewish power demanded that the Vatican speak a lie about Calvary. The bishops at Vatican Council II complied, as did Paul VI and John Paul II. By so doing, they betyrayed Christ and the Gospels, as the obscure Arab historians, including a Catholic one, in the little nation of Syria, have had the courage to affirm. Their valor and candor are deeply refreshing. May God Bless them and raise up more like them.
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted interpretation.
Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a. Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).
[color=Blue]There is huge difference between hate and criticism and demanding justice. And another thing by the way. Jesus (A) was never killed, he was taken up to heaven alive by God, the Jews and the Christians only think they killed him.[/blue]
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/09/01 at 15:55:42|
One more thing there are many Jews that don't believe in everything that the Talmud teaches. So no offense to anyone out there.
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/09/01 at 18:26:12|
Anonymous you read a copy of the old testament recently?
if you think what that nusayri kaffir said was bad read the old testament...
incidentally we don't believe that the yahood killed christ
since he didn't die
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/09/01 at 18:32:06|
| Anonymous peace will come in the middle east when everyone believes (that includes the americans) that god has no chosen people or supreme race etc|
In islam the shaitan was cast down because he chose to believe he was chosen or a member of an elite because of where he came from
He who is humble is raised up !
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/10/01 at 05:09:59|
Where is the world's reactions against the hate of the Indians who rape our sisters in Kashmir and who murder our men?
I ask, with all due respect sister, that you explain that statement.
Help me understand what you mean because it seems offensive and biased by what i read.
please, a strong statement often needs a stronger explanation- that is a very controversial issue in India itself, maybe because i am seeing things differently from you. asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,.
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/10/01 at 06:44:19|
|anik brother. |
i have read indian news about kashmer, it reads like the jewish news about palistian.
there is no reallity to it
|Re: Why hate?|
|05/10/01 at 15:00:54|
What can I say? It's documented. By the UN. You can request information from their archives. Why are you offended? Did I say you did that?
I don't get offended when people say that honor killings happen in Pakistan. They do happen.
When you crticize capitalism, you are labeled a communist or a socialist as if there were no other ideologies aside from these three in the matters of economics. If you crticize globalization you get labeled as anti-democratic. If you crticize apratheid in Israel you get labeled as anti-Jewsih. If you crticize the UN you are not civilized. If you crticize any arab country you are labeled as a racist against Arabs. If I critcize Pakistan I get labeled as a self-hater. If you criticize the US policies against Iraq you get labeled as anti American. If you believe that Jihad on the battle field is more important than the jihad of the nafs you are a terrorist or a fanatic. If you are proud of being a Muslim, whether practicing the religion or not, you are a Muslim Nationalist. If you want a strong Islamic environment in Pakistan you are labeled as someone who's stuck in the middle ages, someone who's against modernism.
I guess the world must be perfect and people like me are just idiots who need to catch up with the politically correct culture of today's.
PS. You are still my brother in Islam Anik. :) I'm not angry.
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