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|haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 15:11:49|
|Bismillah and salam,|
I know some of you will be floured!!! I got this email, who knows if it is true, but i tend to believe it:
I hope this reaches you all in the best of health and state of Eeman
Could you please pass this around your individual
Subject: Pepsi has alcohol
I just rang Pepsi (Schwepps/Cottees) after hearing a
rumour that Pepsi had alcohol in it. The operator
told me this:
"If you are concerned about "Halal", it is NOT Halal
as it contains .01% alcohol for flavour."
if you feel the need to follow it up, call the
following Schwepps/Cottees number:
1800 813 777 (Free call in Australia).
The above mentioned amount of alcohol is in all the soft drinks made by
most soft drinks
manufacturers as per Schwepps Cottees and apparently SOLO is the only soft
So dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam
Now it is your decision
I called COCA-COLA AMATIL (AUST) as well to get there views
this is there response....
1800 025 123
COCA COLA is 100% HALAL
NO ANIMAL FAT
We don't manufacture any things with ALCOHOL or animal fat in it
So dear Brothers and Sisters once again
It is up to you and it is your decision what are you going to drink.
By the way COCA COLA is Jewish company
I think that speaks for itself
Any way Allah swt has given us the best soft drink of all
so why not have that
May Allah swt guide us in the right path Insha Allah
end of email.
I have a couple of comments. I have another email but I don't know how to copy paste a picture like that. But what it is is the coca cola logo on the cans and bottles if you put it infront of a mirror to get the opposite reflection it will clearly read La mu7amad la makkah.
Also I have email just about how bad these drinks are:
>Coca Cola & Pepsi - Dangerous soft drinks!!!! This article is not about
>Politics but just Coca-Cola & Pepsi, Very interesting. Read on for those
>of you who love Coke/Pepsi.... Just.
>When you thought you knew everything.
>To clean a toilet:
>Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl. Let the " real thing" (
>cola) site for one hour, then flush clean. The citric acid in Coke
>removes stains from vitreous china.
>To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers:
>Rub the bumper with a crumpled - up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil
>dipped in Coca-Cola. It will also clean road haze from your windshield.
>To clean corrosion from car battery terminals:
>Pour a cam of Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.
>To loosen a rusted bolt:
>Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola or the rusted bolt for several
>To remove grease from clothes:
>Empty a can of Coca into a load of greasy clothes. Add detergent, & run
>through a regular Cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains.
>AND WE DRINK THIS STUFF!
>Coke & Pepsi For your info:
>The average pH of soft drinks, e.g. Coke, Pepsi is pH 3.4. This acidity
>is strong enough to dissolve teeth & bones! Our human body stops
>building bones at around the age of 30.
>After that it'll be dissolving about 8-18% of the bones each year the
>On the acidity of the food intake (acidity does not depend on the taste
>of the food, but on the ratio of potassium/calcium/magnesium/etc. to
>phosphorus). All the dissolved calcium compounds accumulate in the
>arteries, veins, skin tissue, and organs. This affects the functioning
>of the kidney (kidney stones). Soft drinks do not have any nutritional
>value (in terms of vitamins & minerals). They have higher sugar content.
>Higher acidity & more additives such as preservatives & colorings. Some
>people like to take cold soft drinks after each meal, guess what's the
>Our body has an optimum temperature of 37 degrees for the function of
>digestive enzymes. The temperature of cold soft drinks is much less than
>37, sometimes quit close to 0. This will lower the effectiveness of the
>enzymes & put stress on the digestive system. Digesting less food. In
>fact the food gets fermented. The fermented food produce bad smelling
>gases, decays & forms toxins, which are absorbed in the intestines, get
>circulated in the blood & is delivered to the whole body. This spread of
>toxins can lead to the development of various diseases. Think before you
>drink Coke of Pepsi of any another soft drink.
>Have you ever thought what you drink when you drink an aerated drink?
>You gulp down carbon dioxide, something that nobody in the work would
>advise you to do.
>Teeth & bones are the only human organ that stay intact for years after
>death. Imagine what the drink must be doing to your soft intestines &
|Re: haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 15:17:35|
well, once my friend put her tooth in a can of coke, and it dissolved like 10 days after.
|Re: haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 15:49:03|
From Abu Muntasir,
Assalaam 'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu.
Innal hamdalillaah was-salaat was-salaam 'alaa rasoolillaah.
We need to be very careful when pronouncing anything to be forbidden by Allah. In addition we should also fear Allah in creating difficulties for Muslims or subjecting them to the inconveniences of unecessary restrictions.
Recently some query and discussion has been taking place with regards to Pepsi and possibly Coca Cola containing a small amount of alcohol and how we should view such beverages. Shaikh Albani’s view is that change purifies substances that had originally been deemed prohibited.
A brother Tamim kindly pointed out with due care and caution that Shaikh Albani apparently also hold it permissible to eat e.g., chocolate bars containing intoxicating substances in small quantities. This is because even if one were to eat say a 100 such chocolate bars, one would not become intoxicated. He drew our attention to the shaikh mentioning the hadith of when a rat fell in some ghee (clarified butter). They simply removed the rat and threw out the ghee that they saw had been contaminated around where the rat had fallen. The rest of the ghee was still considered pure. The shaikh’s analogy was with regards to the fact that some remnants of the rat falling in the container of ghee were still in there, but it was still considered pure.
He also clarified the other hadith, "that if something is considered impermissible then small quantities are also impermissible" where the shaikh agreed that if the small quantity is enough, where you take it numerous times it will have the same effect as the original dose, then it is not permissible. However, in the case of alcohol in the chocolate which is so minute, that even if one eats a 100 bars one will not become drunk, then this ruling doesn’t apply here...thus harmonizing the aforementioned situation and the latter hadith.
Subsequently Ali Al-Timimi confirmed that Ibn Baz has a similar Fatwa which can be found in a booklet distributed by the Saudi Embassy entitled Fatawa al-Mughtarib.
He said the rule is does consumption lead to drunkenness even if large quantities are drunk. Since it is apparent that drinking large amount of Pepsi does not lead to intoxication it is therefore not haram to consume.
Here are some notes from Dr. S. Darsh (may Allah have mercy on him) where he discusses the issue of food additives. He wrote the following in 1992!
Additives are chemical elements. They are no more considered as the original material from which they are derived, the fiqh rule is: any change in the substance entails change in the rule’. This is the answer I give to those who inquire about what foods today are Halal. Many try to argue that any additive which contains an element of Haram makes a food itself Haram, based on the hadith, "any flesh grows out of suht (unlawful food) will not enter Paradise’. But there are two aspects to this: first, suht means unlawful. Ibn Mas’oud explained this word which is recorded in chapter 5 verse 42 of Tafseer Ibn Katheer as meaning ‘one who takes bribes’. Thus, Ibn Katheer first explained suht generally as anything unlawful or derived from unlawful means. Second, this hadith is weak, (see Kashful Khafa vol.2 page 176).
The Hanafi Position
Going to the substance of the letter. The purity of an additive is based upon the principle described (the change of the nature of the substance) . In vol. 1, page 314, Hashiya ibn Abedin, Radd al Muhtar ala ad-durr al Mukhtar, a standard Hanafi fiqh text book, written by Muhammad Ala’a al Deen Al Hasafki, there are more than thirty purifying things mentioned by Al Hasafki (rendered into a poetry form to make it easy to memorize) . In one line he said, ‘and change of substance" .
Ibn Abedin said, "the swine which drowns in a salt lake, after decomposition, becomes salt and thus halal". Ibn Abedin based his comments on the saying of Al Hasafki regarding the manufacturing of vinegar made from wine. "According to the principle of change of substance, vinegar made of wine is lawful". He then went on to say, "Vinegar made by mixing wine with water, according to the correct opinion, is pure"
One page 315, Al Hasafki has said that "soap made from impure oil is pure and can be used. Ibn Abedin, commenting on this said, "This is an example of change of substance". he then went on to quote a statement issued by Al Mugtaba which reinforced Al Hasafki’s view that pure soap could be derived from oil that was not pure. A similar position was reflected by Muhammad ibn Al Hasan, the second great pupil of Abu Hanifa.
According to Ibn Abedin, the fat of a dead animal, used to make soap is subject to the same conditions. The expression used was impure (najas) as opposed to mutanajjis which means to make impure. However, oil is usually used in preference to other fatty substances. However, reading Al Munyah, I found an explanation which supports the first view, he states, "If a man or dog falls into the container in which soap is being made, it remains pure".
Ibn Abedin goes on to say, "Know that a compound is deemed pure, according to Muhammad ibn Al Hasan, from the rule which allows for change of substance". In addition, he adds that any product or substance, not only soap, can also be judged pure on account of its widespread use.
One page 326, on the subject of change of substance, as if to reinforce the point, al Hasafki says that dust and smoke particles rising from burnt human or animal excrement cannot be judged impure. If it were, he says, then we would be forbidden to eat bread baked on fires in which such impurities were used as fuel. The same can be said for salt filtered from animal-contaminated lakes.
This, concludes Ibn Abedin, is how any product or substance is judged to be pure or otherwise. Muhammad Al Dakhira, Al Muhit and Abu Hanifa are all of the same opinion. Other shaikhs choose to follow this ruling as well. This is the chosen rule for the Shar’iah ruled that these things were impure in their nature. The reality of a thing changes with the change of some of its implied parts, not to mention all of them. Salt is totally different from meat and bones. If they become salt, they are salt. What is similar to that in the Shar’iah is the life-germ (sperm), the beginning of human life. From a Hanafi point of view it is impure, then it is turned into a clot, it is still impure, then it becomes a lump of flesh and at this point it becomes pure.
The same goes for wine juice. it is pure, when it becomes wine it becomes impure, but when it turns to vinegar, it becomes pure. This is as far as the Hanafi school is concerned.
The Hanbali position
The Hanbali school’s attitude is quite different. In al Mughni by Ibn Qudamah, a Hanbali standard book, in the book of purity, section on utensils, he writes: ‘No impure thing could turn into pure as a result of the change in its substance except wine when it changes by itself into vinegar’.
But it could be deduced that all impure things become pure as a result of the change of its nature, analogous to the change of wine to vinegar is the skin of a dead animal when tanned and the domestic, edible birds and animal which eat excretion.
The Literalist position
According to the Literalist School: Ibn Hazm, the exponent of the Literalist school wrote in his manual (Al Muhalla) volume 1, page 166, problem no. 132: ‘If the excretion of the animal is burnt down or changed and becomes ashes or dust, all that becomes pure and can be used for tayammum (earth purification) . The proof of that is the fact that rules are in accordance with what Allah Most High, has ruled regarding the objects in what the object is named. If the name of the object is changed or dropped, the previous rule is dropped as well. It is something from that which Allah has named’. As such, excretion is different from dust, as it is different from ashes. The same thing with wine which is different from vinegar and human being is different from the blood from which he is created. The dead thing is different from dust or ashes.
In problem 136, page 178, he goes on to say: ‘If the quality of the substance of naturally impure object changes the name which was given to it so that it is no more applicable to it and it is given a new name which is given to a pure object, so it is no more an impure thing. It becomes a new object, with a new rule.
The same thing is true of a pure thing changing into impure thing such as juice becoming wine or the wine becoming vinegar. The pork flesh eaten by a chicken and becoming a chicken flesh. It is halal. The water becoming wine or the food turning into excretion, the excretion and the wine used as fertilizer or becoming a fruit and so many other things.
The basis of all these is the Qur’anic verse:
‘And surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle we give you to drink of what is in their bellies from between the faeces and blood, pure milk, wholesome to those who drink it’ (16-66)
Allah Most High, considers it one of the favours He bestowed upon people that a healthy pure animal product comes out of these impure things.
In the light of what is mentioned above, and the widespread use of so many things which are becoming essential needs for Muslim communities living in a non-Islamic environment, any substance which chemically changed from its original character becomes a new product and acceptable to use. This includes:
1. Chemical preservatives, i.e. all E’ numbers
2. Soap made from fat, animal products or oil, deemed impure in its original form
4. Wine Vinegar
5. Gelatin and products containing it
To obtain gelatin from animal protein, it has to undergo a lengthy chemical process described in the Oxford dictionary of science as follows:
‘A colourless or pale yellow, water-soluble protein obtained by boiling collagen with water and evaporating the solution. It melts when water is added and dissolves in hot water to form a solution that sets to a gel on cooling’ (page 290)
This description shows the great change it undertakes and the new name it takes. On considering part of the Qur’anic verse of chapter 16 I quoted earlier, it is clear this process is like or similar to the process of obtaining milk out of the dirt inside the belly of the animal which Allah described as wholesome, palatable and pure.
In fact, most of the new products which are containing such chemical elements are obtained by chemical processes. These processes are not a mere mixing up of what is Haram with what is Halal. it is a real change. Protein is different from gelatin. As such it is pure and can be used in products which are allowed. Vinegar, milk and salt are all examples of products extracted from impure substances.
In fact the Hanafi view in this connection is much more advanced and liberal, particularly when we study the purifying aspects mentioned by Ad-Durr Al Mukhtar, which, by the way, includes boiling, tanning, slaughtering and dividing.
To hasten to say Haram without considering the process of change, to look into the original without considering the new product shows the inability to understand the world of science and chemistry advanced as it is nowadays and ignoring the needs of the Muslim communities in their new environment.
May Allah guide us on the right way.
|Re: haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 18:03:00|
|Assalam u Alikum,|
Excellent post Br Arshad!!!
For Amatullah,thanks or the info cause here I was wondering how I got so many cavities in my teeth since I have started drinking coke a lot!!Go figure now!
But both of u,thanks a lot for the infi:it certainly is helpful. :D
|Re: haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 19:21:58|
I also heard Pepsi was haram since i was a kid. So i've never drank it:) Oh n in Saudi my unkle said ppl were warned not to drink pepsi as it is haram, but most ppl ignored dat :)
And abt coke, Nehar told me i could never giv up coke, so i havn't drank it for abt 3-4 yrs:) And now i prefer water to ne thin;)
ne way thanx Sr. Amatullah
|Re: haha bad news bibzi|
|07/05/01 at 23:36:49|
|Bismillah and salam,|
Jazaka Allahu khayr akhi this is important information. I am glad you wrote it because i don't want anyone to think it was some kind of fatwa the email i recieved. But nowhere does it say in the email i got it is haram. I wouldn't post it if it did as I am familiar with this fatwa and I agree with not making things difficult for people.
But in all honesty, a personal decision for me is made when I think what is the big deal difficulty and subjecting to inconvenience here? There are more alternatives than i can list. It is so unhealthy. The fatwa against smoking says yes it's true its' not listed in the sunna but it falls under "khaba'ith" and Allah has forbidden those things that are bad for you. I am in north america, and I feel alot of brothers and sisters use license that we have but without the true need really. Which is proabaly ok for them, but it is also good to say, try if you can, if you can't then it is ok. I mean it really really aches my heart I see non muslims so fast to accept what is good for them in terms of diet and trying to say to schools and daycares not to give their child this or that. Someone was saying that over years of consumption thats why they have ADD, etc disorders more often now. Meanwhile muslim countries and diets are so far from the prophets ways. I never would say live zahid and fast all the time and eat one kind don't mix. But a little changes here and there that imporve the health, are bound to imporve mental and emotional as well.
We should be first eager to try to improve our self. That is a personal opinion which is why i posted this and hoped it might encourage some.
The beloved said (this my translation): the strong mum'in is better and more loved by Allah than the weak mu'min even though there is good in both of them.
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