Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
|let's clarify it|
|07/13/01 at 20:01:22|
|assalaamu alaikum |
to the moderator - i don't think that it was fair that you locked the thread - and i was unable to reply to our brother 'humble-muslim's' reply.
so if you would be so kind, i would like to clarify something to the masses insha allaah.
so what do you think, that SP have just invented some new manhaj - and from that are refuting everyone who doesn't agree with them?
if thats what you think then maybe you should start reading more of the classical works of the scholars (most of these are in arabic) but alhamdulillah we have many of Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's books available in english, also books like 'the creed of Imam Bukhari', 'the creed of Imam Barbahaari', 'the creed of as-Saabooni', 'usool-as-Sunnah' by imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, to name a few, and you will see that really the path is one and you will realise the importance of sticking to the manhaj.
also look at the hadeeth:
From ’Abdullaah Ibn ’Umar Ibnul-’Aas (radiyallaahu ’anhu) who said that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said: ‘‘There will come upon my Ummah what came upon the Children of Israa’eel, hand span by handspun, to the extent that if one of them fornicated openly with his mother, there would be someone from my Ummah who would be like this. Verily the Children of Israa’eel split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split up into seventy-three sects, all of them being in the Fire, except one.’’ They said: ‘And which one is that O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said: ‘‘That which I am upon today and my Companions.’’
hasan hadeeth, reported by Tirmidhee no. 2641 and al-Haakim no. 1 : 128/9
and this is just one of many (you can refer to www.troid for further reading, under the manhaj section and following the prophetic sunnah).
All the scholars who call to this way are distinct from others. If you look at India and Pakistan for example, amongst so many deluded people, we had some scholars who stood up and refuted the shirk, the prevailent bid'ah, they shunned the politics and called to 'ilm, they called the people back to the ahadeeth and the athaar (narrations). these scholars fully affiliated themselves to ahlul hadeeth and salafiyyah - which is following the prophetic sunnah upon the understanding of the Sahabah, their students (tabi'een) then their students (ata tabi'een), these 3 generations are known as the salaf-us-saalih and the Prophet SAW testified to their excellence in an authentic hadeeth.
in pakistan and india - we have jaamia salafiyyahs and also maktaba salafiyyahs, you'll never know until you read the books, listen to the tapes YOURSELF - then you will see the distinction. i know myself from being a sufi, tableeghi, ikhwaani, that in reality the path is one, the sujnah is clear. Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was asked, 'who are the saved sect?' and he replied, 'if they are not the ahlul hadeeth, then i don't know who they are'.
SP has tazkiyyah (recommendations) from a whole list of shayukh worldwide, they have very close contacts with them and their students of knowledge. they are not calling to to blindly following people and personalities, following and showing loyalty to them, even if they stray from the haqq!
their manhaj is not self-invented, rather they are calling to the truth and it conforms to the way of the salaf - the 3 best generations and all the major imams who followed their way up until this time.
so, once you start finding out about the true manhaj - you too would guard it with all your might, and then maybe you would understand SP's stance - i make du'aa for them, May Allah preserve and protect them, for they are guarding the true prophetic sunnah in this time, and trying to call people out of the darkness into the light and trying to save them from the pit of dalaalah, insha allaah.
i hope this has helped clarify things for you somewhat
|Re: let's clarify it|
|07/13/01 at 22:22:09|
Here is a list of scholars/daiees who also claim to be "salafis" whom SP have denonunced. These include :
Ali Al Timimme
So it now seems that within the Salafi groups, people are trying to claim to be more salafi than others!
We are not talking about Sufi, tableeghi, Ikhwani here, but all the above daiees are salafis whom SP have denonuced and in some cases reportedly physically beaten.
The real salsfis did not deal with each other the way the self-professed salafis do so today.
|Re: let's clarify it|
|07/13/01 at 23:32:55|
The reason that thread was locked and now this one is that the topic of specific islamic movements ie the salafi movement is not allowed on the board. Please take it offline.
PS If both parties agree I can remove both threads completely.
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