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|06/12/05 at 15:09:49|
|Ok don't hang me at the noose|
(not sure if this is a good or bad subject)
But someone was telling me about Kabbalah stuff
and says it is not just a jewish thing.
It is for any belief.
Anyone know about this?
Please post or pm me.
|06/13/05 at 08:48:00|
If I understand correctly, kabbalah or kaballah or Cabala is mysticism that has Jewish roots.
I cannot give you quotes or references, but from my studies I have concluded that may of the mystic customs and chants include items that are forbidden either because of shirk or black magic or inverted or juxtaposed sacred texts.
Further, I think, Christian mysticism may also include such things.
And Islamic mysticism in the Middle East, Anatolia, Central Asia and North Africa has such elements as well. This is because of the interaction between these faiths, and the fact that people who reverted to Islam may have brought in the practices and attitudes of their past faiths. This is not to say that those who are born in Islam are immune to it, because some of them may also have wanted to experiment with the unknown which looks exotic, or to seek shortcuts.
In the Indo-Pak sub-continent, Islamic mysticism has inherited the Jewish and Christian customs, as well as taking on the Hindu ones.
[i]So, I would not say the kaballah is for other faiths as well. I would rather say that as the Abrahamic faith was corrupted by the Jewish practice of the occult sciences, magic and the like, so have other faiths been so corrupted.[/i]
As an example, when the huroofe muqatteaat (the stand-alone letters in the Quran, like "alif-laam-meem" at the start of the second Surah, Surah Baqarah) were revealed, a Jewish learned man came to the prophet [saw] and said: "I know the life of your Ummah", meaning the Ummah will become history after such a time. And then he named a figure in years. When asked how he arrived at it, he said because of numerology. Then the prophet [saw] said something like: "but there is more", and he rcited the huroofe muqatteaat at the start of the third Surah. The jew aalim said: "OK, I will revise my figure", and then he increased the figure to the sum of those in these two Surahs. The prophet [saw] againsaid something like: "But there are more". And then he recited some more of these huroof. Then the aalim got upset and left, saying this is beyond my calculation, because this was really a very high number.
We aren't really supposed to engage in such speculation or activities. Of the ilm (knowledge) that comes to us from the Jewish or Christian holy books, we only confirm that which is in conformity with the Quran and Sunnah. Of that which is denied in authntic Islamic sources, we also deny. Of that on which these sources are silent, we also remain silent.
|06/13/05 at 09:54:36|
as an example, numerology is now not restricted to the Jews. It exists in every circle, religious or not, but that does not make it halal.
I looked up kabbalah 101 on the net. It says
[quote]kaballah is for everyone, and is not religious. The source of kabbalistic wisdom is a 23 volume ancient book called the Zohar, which is the greatest source of divine wisdom known to man.
among those who have studied kabbalah are great minds like Abraham, Moses, Muhammad.[/quote]
all rubbish, I say. All these statements proves that they are telling lies.
The greatest, and today the only uncorrupted, source of divine wisdom is the Quran. Their statements that the great prophets studied Zohar meas that they did not receive wisdom through the angels, but through studying the book Zohar, are wrong.
You want knowledge that benefits you in this world and in the Hereafter.
It lies in the study of the Quran.
The Quran is full of wonders that will never end.
How about this: Let us all on the Madina board, study the Quran together.
Brother Humayum has uploaded his tafsir of some Surahs. Let us listen to these, and ask questions.
Or we could start with Surah Fatiha. Copy and put the Arabic, and the transliteration, then a translation, and then the tafsir from various sources. And then the benefits of this Surah, and how it has been used and can be used to solve our problems. And then what each of us understands by it.
How about it? You know of my problems. Will someone else take this up, and I am sure we will all benefit.
If we like it, we can continue with the next Surah, or the last juzz.
I miss redaing the Quran with its meanings and its tafsir.
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