And it shouldn't be.
on: Today at 03:52 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by pearl|
This part of Suhaib Webb's comment was the best:
... Sad to know that some are so upset that others are happy. I can't comment on people being happy (never thought it was much of an issue)...
And it shouldn't be.
on: Today at 06:26 AM
|Started by jannah - Last post by jannah|
I watched someone's "halal" version of the video where they took out all the women scenes. It was incredibly boring and lost all meaning. Also, if you took out the music, just no point really.
But the reaction to this video is very interesting... Here are a few snippets...
My thoughts on #HappyMuslims video-gate:
- The background track behind all the folks dancing has got to be one of the most addictive things I’ve ever heard! I hear that Iblīs himself might have got personally involved with that one.
- My first reaction when I saw sisters dancing like that was just how much these ladies love to talk about objectification and being stereotyped and feminism and all that bakwas, but they play a different game in real life. #FireAbuEesa
- The image which came to mind after a few moments was of slave masters watching their slave girls/boys amuse, dance and entertain them as they twirl their moustaches happily. Yes this is a metaphor and our brothers and sisters are not slave girls, but what is worse is when a Muslim makes that conscious decision that what they have from their Deen and their values just isn’t “good enough” and thus “let’s use the medium of popular culture instead regardless of whether it fits an Islamic ethos or not”. This is of course the real slavery. The slavery of the mind. The music etc wasn’t so depressing for me; it was watching a people fall even more into subservience.
- Any women who claim that females dancing is not provocative or sexual, is either naïve or just plain miskeen. And any man whom claims the same, is, well, lying. Ladies, you could dance like Peter Crouch and men would find that sexual! Men don’t think like you. You lift an elbow out and just wiggle your head forget about anything else and you just provocation-ed off the provocation-meter. You want to do that, keep it for your fella’s eyes only please.
- It’s amazing just how strong that feeling of inferiority amongst liberal and secular Muslims is. That is definitely the major concern here, not the music or dancing. Folks used to call it a inferiority complex. That’s outdated now. We need to call it an “inferiority crisis”.
- We’ve basically lost all meaning for what the word hijab means. I can’t even be bothered to explain this issue again, the fact that hijab is a state, not just a piece of cloth on the head. Anyway, whatever. This isn’t about the women anyway, this is about the mindset of *all* who support such things.
- I love seeing happy people. I loved their smiles in this video. I just wish I could see them so happy without the music and dancing. Surely we can do that? Although in fairness, perhaps some folks can’t? Genuine question.
- The Yanks are looking at this video and thinking, “Erm, so what’s exactly the issue here folks? Who did what wrong?!”
- To those who are disappointed with all this, don’t even try for a second to criticise music and dancing. Once you’ve gone down that route, it’s more than just a poisoned chalice. It’s professional suicide. Everyone is so happy inside, and suddenly you’re telling them they shouldn’t be? You will NEVER win this argument, and frankly it's no biggie anyway. Emotional ignorance of the rules of Allah is the most difficult to discuss, so don’t waste your time on it.
- For those who say that scholars says music etc is good and allowed: firstly forget all the so called scholars and Shaykhs and Imams in the West who are not much more than transmitters of fatwas and opinions. No disrespect to us all but let us all recognise our reality. If we were to see the actual real scholarly voices that permit the use of music, and you would be able to count them on one hand frankly and that doesn’t diminish our respect for them by the way, then I say this: from this group would be Shaykh Abdullah Judai’ and Sh Yusuf al-Qardhawi. I would love to see their reaction to seeing what happens in this video and then ask them, “Shaykh, we make stuff like this because we follow your fatwa that music is allowed.” I think you’d better prepare to get slapped lol.
- I love creativity. I think Muslims have so much to offer. I just hope and pray it can be done without the need to have to use what everyone else values, as opposed to what WE value. Or at least SHOULD value I guess I should say.
- Remember that above all, the resulting video is one which involved *personal* sin and it was concerning *fiqh* as opposed to anything else more serious. This is most definitely not belittling sin by this statement, but just reminding us all that we do have much bigger problems amongst Muslims to focus on such as what we actual believe in, and whether we consider Allah’s requirements to be divine enough so as to be protected from our desires and flawed intellects. There is a chasm between saying (a) Allah couldn’t have said this or made that halal or haram, and saying (b) I know Allah said that but I’m struggling with it.
Struggling is good, keep up that struggle. Denying is bad, drop that bakwas otherwise you’ll be dropped in the next life. No, you won't be dropping it like it's hot. You'll be *dropped* somewhere hot.
May Allah protect us all and forgive us and guide us all, my sinful self before anyone else. Ameen.
- Whatever is sinful or potentially sinful or at least doubtful, should be kept to yourself. Sing with your hairdryer in the mirror. Dance your socks off in the privacy of your bedroom. Chill at home as undressed as you want. Allah is covering you right at that monent.
But once you bring it out like this, go public, and be happy about it, then Allah has uncovered you. And thus you have lost protection. And once you lose HIS protection, then, well, Allahul-Musta‘an.
- Many folks will see this comment as really negative. I apologise for that, genuinely. I actually really sympathise with those who feel so happy with song and dance. It’s a natural human reaction. But then trying to bed the hottest girl ever next door is also a natural human reaction. Control, willpower and taqwa are what should control human reactions. I will post something on this specific music challenge a little later because I’ve been there, done that.
- Personally, for me, the biggest outrage in this entire episode is the name of these people. Honest Policy 786?! 786!? Are you kidding me?! If you guys really are going to go all out sick on the positive Muslim PR front, can we please please drop the 786 part at least? Jazakumullahu khayr.
Sometimes I feel so disconnected from things going on in alternative universes to the one that I inhabit ... that I thank Allah for all that He has blessed me with.
Happiness is a blessing Allah gives the soul when the body, and soul, conform to the Shariah. And it is true that a Muslim's soul, at times, feels like it's dancing for joy (especially when it's in prostration: "O Bilal! Hasten us to its joy!"). But alas, dancing with the body does not in itself bring happiness to the Muslim's soul. Especially when that dancing is accompanied by other matters.
Its been a while since I referenced this hadith, but truly, we live in a time when holding on to one's religion is considered strange and bizarre even by other Muslims (lay-Muslims and scholars alike). May Allah make me amongst those who are given glad tidings!
Over the last few days, I've been asked to share my thoughts on a video showing a bunch of happy people being happy. But, because of a number of things, I have not had the time to (maybe that's a good thing) get into this issue. However, when I was told that Dr. Timothy Winter a highly respected scholar of Islam and academic, as well as, Mohammed Ansar were involved, I knew it was a noble effort with noble intentions. It is enough for me that Dr. Winter is on board. Sad to know that some are so upset that others are happy. I can't comment on people being happy (never thought it was much of an issue), but defer to those gentlemen (please ask them questions).
Abdul Hakim Murad
"The responses have been interesting. But let us begin by recalling an important point. The scholars today are not reaching teenagers at all, and they hardly even know it. At Friday prayers today, during school holidays, I saw children and adults; but not one teenager. There are no bridgebuilders to take them by the hand! If you know them you will know that they still want to be Muslim, and that they love Islam, but do not want to listen to what they call ‘boring lectures’. They usually don’t object to the content of those lectures, but they cannot listen to them. They are in a different world – of quick social media, apps, and YouTube. Now either we can cut them off entirely, and let them work things out from their own resources – and this is happening with tens of millions of young Muslims across the planet, even in Makka and Madina – or we can find some way of standing among them and hearing them. They know perfectly well that we don’t acquiesce in all the forms of their culture, but they should know that we have more to offer them than an endless scowl. So of course I did not dance along with them; but to be present, to be a witness, affirming their love of life and of Islam, without in any way approving in any absolute way of anything at all – and they know this! – is the way of those who love humanity and love the young. I revere the memory of those of my teachers who insisted on being with and for young people: who went to cafes and music-halls in Cairo and Mombasa, not to dance, but just to be there with them, to smile, to listen to them with love and to remind them through their own state that the best joy is only an invitation to the Afterlife.
I did not make this video, nor did I follow its development or see its final shape; but I see it not as a preachy film but as a kind of informal guerrilla documentary capturing a moment in the development of the Muslim community here as it actually is. Questions of divine law, which, believe it or not, do matter to the neglected and abandoned young, are non-negotiable of course. In this case, observing the people known to me, I see only married couples together, or siblings or families. I can’t see any exceptions. May Allah preserve us from ugly suspicion! Regarding the music, I personally do not use instrumental music; but I would like to see a fully-reasoned fatwa about musical sounds produced digitally by synthesisers: do they count as the ma’azif which are surely forbidden in the sound hadiths? If so, are doorbells, or harmonised ringtones, ma’azif? What about a voice which is trained to sound exactly like a trombone? Personally I don’t know. Once we have some sort of consensus on synthesisers then the ijtihad discussion about this clip can begin. It will be interesting.
May Allah grant us all basira to serve His din and remember Him in all times and places. Amin!"
on: Yesterday at 04:42 AM
|Started by Nature - Last post by sadah|
Very unfortunate that our government seems to be playing politics when innocent children's' lives are at stake. We woke up to the news yesterday as the state governor and the principal of the school confirmed to the news agencies that no girl was rescued by the military. The good thing is that this time, the military have accepted their mistake, which they seldom do in the past. I pray they would rescue all the girls soon.
on: Yesterday at 02:25 AM
|Started by Nature - Last post by pearl|
Sooooo .... now the military is denying that the kidnapped students have (mostly) been rescued.
Nigerian military retracts claim that nearly all abducted students were released
By Aminu Abubakar, Faith Karimi, and Steve Almasy CNN
updated 5:43 PM EDT, Thu April 17, 2014
Kano, Nigeria (CNN) -- In an embarrassing blow to its perception from an increasingly skeptical public, the Nigerian military retracted Thursday a report that nearly all the 129 girls kidnapped this week from a school by suspected Boko Haram militants had been released.
Just hours after one of the parents of an abducted girl claimed the Defense Ministry had lied Wednesday about all but eight girls finding freedom, the military issued a statement from the director of defense information that the initial report was "not intended to deceive the public."
Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade's statement didn't indicate how many of the girls were unaccounted for as of Thursday.
It said only: "The number of those still missing is not the issue now as the life of every Nigerian is very precious."
Distraught parents have waited for news for four days, putting their faith in a military rescue, said Lawan Zanna, father of one of the students.
Boko Haram 'increasingly monstrous' Up to 200 girls kidnapped by terrorists Explosion kills dozens in Nigeria
They feel "shock and disbelief" that the government resorted to "blatant propaganda" and a "blatant lie." Parents now wonder if the military is even trying to rescue their children, he said.
Olukolade said the military received a "major breakthrough" report from a reliable source that supposedly included information from the principal at the school from which the students were taken Monday night by gunmen.
But the principal denied having done so. "I never made that claim to anybody," said Asabe Kwambura, principal of Government Girls Secondary School in the northeastern town of Chibok.
"A total of 14 out of the 129 students taken away managed to escape and the rest are still being held by their captors," Kwambura said.
Olukolade called the discovery of the misinformation an "unfortunate development indeed."
Musa Inuwa Kubo, the Borno state education commissioner, said Thursday that 30 students had come home.
But the principal and Zanna each put the number at 14. Three girls escaped their captors Wednesday and were returned home by herdsmen, Zanna said. Some other girls escaped from a broken truck as the abductors stopped, he said.
The military said "ongoing frantic efforts" of security forces, vigilante groups and hunters are attempting to find and free the students.
Rescue teams, aided by surveillance helicopters, were moving deeper into the vast forest that extends into neighboring Cameroon and other states in the region, Ali Ndume, a senator representing southern Borno state, said Wednesday.
A broken-down truck believed to have been part of the kidnappers' convoy was found at the edge of the forest, which suggests the abductors took their hostages into the woods on foot, he added.
The incident began Monday night, when militants engaged in a gunbattle with guards at the boarding school, and then herded the students onto vehicles and drove off, authorities said.
"They left with us in a convoy into the bush," said one girl who escaped, but, citing security concerns, declined to identify herself. "A group of motorcyclists flanked the convoy to ensure none of us escaped."
When a truck broke down, the girls inside were transferred to another truck and the broken one was set afire, the girl said.
Another vehicle then broke down and, as the men tried to fix it, "some of us jumped out of the vehicles and ran into the bush," she said. "We later found our way back to Chibok."
Boko Haram means "Western education is sin" in the local Hausa language. The Islamist militant group is waging a campaign of violence in northeastern Nigeria, particularly in Borno, Yobe and Adamawa states.
The militant group has bombed schools, churches and mosques; kidnapped women and children; and assassinated politicians and religious leaders alike. Human Rights Watch says more than 3,000 people have been killed in Boko Haram-related violence in the past five years.
Armed militant groups in Nigeria's northeastern region are nothing new, but Boko Haram has taken the violence to unprecedented levels since 2009.
In early March, Borno closed its 85 secondary schools and sent more than 120,000 students home after increasing attacks by the group. Chibok is in Borno state.
Borno is one of three states under a state of emergency since mid-May.
UNICEF has called for the girls' "immediate and unconditional release."
The agency "is deeply concerned about the persistent trend of attacks on schools in Nigeria," UNICEF Regional Director Manuel Fontaine said. "Most recently, unidentified gunmen killed 53 children between 13 and 17 years old at the Federal Government College, Buni Yadi, Yobe State, in February."
British Foreign Secretary William Hague was among the world leaders condemning the kidnappings. "We stand ready to provide assistance to help the Nigerian government ensure that these children can be returned to their families in safety, and to bring to justice those responsible" for the "cowardly act," he said.
on: Apr 17, 2014 08:48 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by Nature|
The main fuss is about the instrumentals and 'dancing' - if someone made an acapella version with fewer sisters bouncing I think that absolutely everyone would have loved it. I personally loved, loved, loved the diversity of the video, it's so inclusive, and so much fun.
on: Apr 17, 2014 07:30 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by Siham|
"If you want to know the religion of a man, do not look at how much he prays and fasts, rather, look at how he treats people."
(Imam Jafar al-Sadiq)
on: Apr 17, 2014 07:26 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by Fozia|
It's a fun video, everyone's liking it on my fb (haven't posted it myself), I can also see the point made by Imam Abu Eesa, mufti Menk et al.
on: Apr 17, 2014 07:17 PM
|Started by Nature - Last post by Siham|
Well, the problem with Third World countries is that you often find a revolution overthrows the government and the people who initiated the revolution had the best intentions.
They want—eventually, they want to do away with corruption; they want the best for their country. However, the moment they get into power, the latent ego/nafs in them, comes up and they repeat the same dysfunction that they wanted to do away with.
It's a vicious cycle, May Allah guide them.
But then again Allah says, "Truly, Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” Qur'an (13:11)
on: Apr 17, 2014 06:56 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by jannah|
Lots of ppl commenting on it. Abu Eesa and Yasir Qadhi both wrote long things about it. Most average Muslims defending it. I'm sure Muslims in the UK are probably having a seizure over it lol.
on: Apr 17, 2014 06:53 PM
|Started by Siham - Last post by jannah|
Are you talking about Jenny Erickson? I don't think it's necessarily about self-esteem, but also about as women we want to naturally please others, especially our husbands. Fathers do have a big part in developing good self-esteem in daughters, but I think that's a separate issue.
No one attracts the wrong guy on purpose! Unfortunately it's hard to tell how a person is going to be after marriage, not to mention how you'll be after marriage.