on: Mar 03, 2014 12:13 PM
|Started by Nature - Last post by kungfupanda|
My family had British citizenship before they came to the UK. Or should I say, the UK came on my family. They invaded us. They imposed their citizenship on us. So after ww2 they had to come to the UK the way the whites did. It wasn't by choice. It wasn't to look for a better life. The UK was our country because the white invader decided it was our country. My grand parents did not have the citizenship of the country they were born in, they had UK citizenship. My grand parents did rubbish jobs here, which no white man would consider doing.
My dad started full time work as soon as he finished school. Both my parents saved, set up a business worked hard so we didn't have to. And had the right to choose an education if we wanted and were able.
Even though me and my wife are highly educated by UK standards. I do no look down on my mother for getting married as soon as she was legally able or my father for working instead of studying. I respect what they did for us, and I do not have any respect for me and my wife's university education.
Studying in University isn't hard work, it isn't a sacrifice. Hard work and Sacrifice is what my parents and grand parents did. These days a lot of "born here Muslims", look down on their parents and grand parents. I feel it should be the other way.
I have no patriotism or nationalism in any shape or form. I am not thankful, ashamed or resentful for being born here. I see it as an incidental fact that I have had no control over, just like my hair colour and eye colour.
I do not view myself as any better or worse than Muslims "back home".
And I am sick of people who view "back home" as backward.
My loyalty is to Allah, not to this country, or any other country.
My people are the Muslims, wherever they maybe, of whatever race and nationality they are.
This means if my skills were needed elsewhere, in a Muslim country, any Muslim country. I will go there. What keeps me here isn't a love for this country. It is just some obligations I have here, that I will not reveal to you.
on: Mar 03, 2014 11:07 AM
|Started by Siham - Last post by kungfupanda|
She might be unknown to you. But I'm sure all of us have heard of Life on Mars?
But who she is is not relivant to whether what she says is right or wrong.
I view it as simple honesty. And sometimes the truth hurts.
I will go through what she wrote point by point.
1: Men are scared of angry women? True, men do not find that attractive at all. She is not saying, "if you are single it is because you are angry", I think she is just giving one possibility.
In the business world anger and aggression are admired. You will get the Job and you will get promoted and can even end up at the top when you show this. But show this to a man you want to marry, and he will go elsewhere to find a wife. He is not looking for a boss, he already has that. He is not looking for a mother, he already has that. He is looking for a wife. Show him you will treat him like he is the boss.
2: Lots of males are shallow. And if someone posted something here about men being shallow, no one would disagree. Infact many people will agree and give examples. But the fact that she hints at the possibility that some women can be shallow too makes some women very angry. Yes, some men are single because they are shallow, some women are single because they are shallow. There are shallow people out there.
3 is to do with dating.
4 is true! If you tell a man at the meeting "after marriage I want this, I want that, I wont do this, I wont do that". First thing that will come to his mind, is, "what is in it for me?".
How do you expect him to choose you over someone else unless you tell him what you are offering him. You will probably not be the only woman he knows about. If you give more demands than other women and offer him less than other women, he will pick another woman and not you.
5. You’re Not Good Enough. Well yes. it happens. Sometimes there might be a guy who is good enough for you, and you are not good enough for him. It happens. Get over it and move on. Pick from the guys who you are good enough for. It happens the other way too. Probably more often. This guy has less education than me. That guy earns less than me. I'm a hafiza/Alima and he isn't. Guys have as much right not to chose you as you have not to chose them.
6 yes some people are a mess. Tidy up before the meeting. It is Halal to use make up for that meeting. And men, it is Sunnah to comb your hair.
I did have paint stains on my clothes when I went to meet my wife, do not follow my example, it doesn't always work.
7 common sense. But some people don't have any.
8, yes some women do behave like men, and some men do behave like girls. They do end up single or worse.
9, if your not practicing, practicing partners might not choose you. Guys grow your beards, ladies put on your hijab/Niqab.
on: Mar 03, 2014 10:54 AM
|Started by Nature - Last post by sadah|
There's always gonna be haters no matter what you do. Find the best opportunity for deen and dunya and stick with it. Learn to ignore people. Be your own judge.
I second this sheikh.
on: Mar 03, 2014 10:48 AM
|Started by rahma - Last post by sadah|
Ignoramus indeed! I really thought only Muslims wear Burqa.
on: Mar 03, 2014 10:39 AM
|Started by jannah - Last post by kungfupanda|
To be honest with you, if what was being attacked was the sexual harassment that goes on in Egypt, or the driving rules in Saudi Arabia. I would have been in support of it. I would not deny it, and I haven't denied such things happen.
What I am against is the racism. The racist way in which it was written.
And admit it, it is racism. And it is white supremacy.
Attacking sexism and sexists is one thing, but to say "do Arabs hate women" is no different from saying, "do blacks rob people", "do Jews commit fraud".
A lot of South asians like to complain about how Arabs look down on them, please tell me, how is what you have written here about Arabs different?
Some people need to fear Allah, racism is Harram.
People find it easy to understand it is Harram when others are racist against them, but find easy to make excuses for it when it is they themselves who are racist against others.
People really need to look in to the mirror and fear Allah.
When bad things happen racists like to blame an entire race, while normal people blame the people involved.
The king is to blame for the driving laws in Arabia. Not the Arabs as a whole, not even the Arabs of Saudi Arabia. Him and just him, because no one voted for him. And only he has the power to change the law. Anyone else who even says any law he makes is wrong can end up in prison or dead, or in an American torture centre if they escape Arabia and end up in American hands.
When it comes to Mono and the secularists. I do not see them as people who try to do good but end up doing evil. I see them as people who try to do evil and that is exactly what they do.
They are secularists. People who want to remove Islam from the Muslim world. Not just the Muslim world, she and people like her give support to restrictions against the Practice of Islam in Non-Muslim countries too.
She doesn't just tell us to stop following Islam. Instead she pushes governments to use force to stop us following it.
There is no good in that. It isn't her and the likes of her do more evil than good. All secularists do is evil, 100% evil, 0% good.
on: Mar 03, 2014 10:10 AM
|Started by jannah - Last post by sadah|
It is sad that we have to talk about these issues all the time. I usually find it difficult to take side on debates like this and I believe it is because both sides have one thing in common: being far from moderate. I will agree with Kungfupanda (he may sound like moderatesufi, but his tone is different and he is more tolerant) on the point that people like Mona are doing more harm than good to Islam.
on: Mar 03, 2014 04:40 AM
|Started by jannah - Last post by akhan|
Dude, love your resilience. Every time you come back stronger lol
on: Mar 03, 2014 01:43 AM
|Started by jannah - Last post by kungfupanda|
Read what I wrote again.
I am saying "Do Arab men hate women" is a racist statement, is not saying there are no problems in the Arab Muslim world.
The points I made about America and other white countries was to show if the word Arab is removed here, and replaced by any other race, it becomes plane and clear that statement is completely racist.
America preaches hatrid against the Muslim world. They do so, so their people will be willing to send armies to Muslim lands and commit genocide. They do so to make sure their police and prison services torture Muslims.
But it is a shame that some Muslims that live in America have bought this propaganda.
Mono and people like her, are not here to campaign against sexual harassment in Egypt.
In fact she does the opposite. She supports the army and the police that commit a large percentage of the sexual harassment in Egypt and do nothing to stop it.
In fact she campaigns to keep that army and that police in power, which means she campaigns for sexual harassment not against it.
Egyptians didn't vote for that Army and that police force or the government that orders them. Infact Egyptians voted to remove them. But Mono and people like her supported to Army that sexually harasses women against the government that was elected by women.
Her attacks are attacks on Islam. It is Islam she is against. She is not a women's rights activist. She has not set up shelters for women. infact she supports this regimes which is known to use rape as a weapon to stay in power.
She does not support Muslim women working or studying. In fact she supports the Hijab bans in Schools and workplaces that stop Muslim women from working.
I can see through her weasel words. It is a shame you can't.
I am not saying the Muslim world has no problems that need to be resolved. I am saying the Muslim world has many problems.
The difference between me and people like Mono, they see Islam as the problem and I see it as the solution.
they see the fact that women wear hijab as the problem that keeps them out of the workplace and education.
While I see the bans on Hijab called for by Mono as the reason Muslim women are kept out of the work place and education.
So let me be clear on this, the Muslim world has many problems, and it is Mono and people like her that have caused those problems.
It is the secularists that want to remove Islam from every aspect of life that rule now. They are the ones responsible.
It isn't Arab men that are responsible for the unelected king of Saudi Arabia, whose family was installed by the British, and is being kept in power by the Americans banning women from driving.
How can anyone think that is the fault of Arab men, when not a single Arab man voted for that king or his family?
When it was the government voted in by White British that armed the Family of Saud against the uthmani Khilafah, and the government voted in by white Americans that trains his torturers to keep him in power?
on: Mar 02, 2014 11:50 PM
|Started by Siham - Last post by Nature|
No, I think you will find she is a famous American author.
She is the script writer of Life on Mars, as well as many others.
When women make it to the top, no one likes to bad mouth them more than other women if they dare to say something other women do not want to hear.
I'm sorry, Mr. Wikipedia, but she is completely unknown. She leads a reality tv dating show, which make all of their money off of telling single women and men that their singlehood is a problem that only their tv show can solve - and these tv shows make all their money by hosts who make nasty statement such as these, banking on people enjoying watching others' humiliation to feel better about themselves. For prime example, she's also written an article defending the consumerism of Valentine's Day - ho hum, I wonder why? It's new to me if such people have suddenly become authorities on relationships, particularly Muslim ones!
on: Mar 02, 2014 11:22 PM
|Started by jannah - Last post by Nature|
Here we go again, moderatesufi...
To claim that these issues are outright lies and 'white supremacist propaganda' is ridiculous. Pearl was making a very rightful reply to your idea that there are no problems regarding women (outside of Egypt) in Arab countries, and so she listed the various problems in many different Arab countries. Stop acting with your religious Muslim sisters as though they are kuffar who know nothing about Islam and its laws and wisdoms.
We could go on forever replying to you, but after having argued with three different usernames, I have seen that all you wish to do on this forum is argue and bicker and be belligerent for the sake of it, so I think that Imam Shafi'i's statement is the best:
"They say: ‘You remain quiet, and you have been disputed.’
I say to them: Indeed answering is the key to the door of evil.
Silence in response to the fool or ignoramus is nobility,
and in it also is a safeguard for one’s dignity."