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« on: Jul 25, 2008 08:55 PM »

conquering your social conditioning

salaam 'alaykum,

I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please bear with me.

There were these two travelling beef salesmen who came to a city trying to sell beef.

To their astonishment no one in the city ever ate beef before, they were eating donkey.

The first salesman tried to sell them beef and they laughed.

He said please try my beef, it is better than donkey.

They laughed and said, no way, our grandparents always ate donkey and so did our parent and so do we. We never ate beef in our lives. We are happy with our donkey.

He said, I will give it to you for half the price of donkey.

They said no.

He said I will give you free beef for a week.

They said ok, on condition that you buy our donkey meat for double the price for a month otherwise we are kicking you out of our town.

He said, are you crazy, i never ate donkey in my life, the thought of it makes me want to vomit.

They said, aha, so why would we try your beef if you don't try our donkey?

They kicked him out of the city.

The 2nd salesman was smarter, same scenario but at the end he actually consulted with an 'Alim and found out donkey is not haraam, but it is makrooh.

He never ate donkey too and the thought of it made him sick but he took a month supply for double the price and pretended to enjoy it in front of them for the 1st week but then he got used to it. His family vomitted for 2 weeks but finally got used to it.

He came back to them saying, "I used to think donkey meat must be terrible but I actually like it better than beef."

They all became good friends and they started selling him donkey meat at the normal price and he continued to eat donkey for a month more.

The 3rd month he said the same thing that donkey tasted just a little bit better than beef and today I am selling beef at half the price of donkey meat, do you want to try.

They said, the thought of beef makes us sick but because you are our friend and you tried our donkey meat and continue to enjoy it like you we will buy your beef.

They were so reluctant and after a few minutes they realized that beef tastes better than donkey!

They said can we have some more?

He said sure but it is not half price anymore.

They introduced beef to their family and friends. Everyone was reluctant and said gross gross, ill, but after a couple of tries they all agreed that beef is better than donkey!

The 2nd salesman became a millionaire and sold more beef than anyone in his business.


Now, my point is this, if you want to spread Islam in the West you have to partake in eating their "donkey meat" in order to convince them to try your "beef".

Do you understand my philosophy now? Do you agree?

We have to also make the "beef" soft and easy so they can chew it. We have to partake in some of their not so pleasant things that are against our social conditioning, in order to convince them to try some of the things we love which are against their social conditioning.

Can we now become effective "beef salesmen" or will be like the 1st salesman who got kicked out of the city?

If you agree with me please start eating double and triple patty "donkey" burgers for 3 months, instead of just single patty "donkey" burgers that the West is used to eating.

I guarantee you that they will start eating your single patty "beef" burgers after a year.

There is a surplus of "donkey" and the West will really appreciate it if you buy some of it.

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 26, 2008 12:34 AM »

Asalamu alaikum wrt wb,

All praise be to Allah, Most High.

Brother in Islam,

1.)  Donkey meat is Haraam by the consensus of the scholars, as far as I know.  This is because the Sahabah slaughtered some donkeys during the battle of Khaybar, and they were cooking and about to eat, when the Prophet, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, said :  "Pour out the the pots and break them!"  This was because of the extreme impurity of the donkey meat.  This narration is in Saheeh Bukhari.

2.)  It is not permissible to do something haram to achieve some benefit.  This is because the scholars say:  "The prevention of haram comes before the  acheiving of benefit."  The Messenger of Allah, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, never did something haram in order to achieve good.  Goodness leads to more goodness, and evil leads to more evil.  Repel evil with that which is better.

3.)  Our youth should learn how to give dawah from the scholars, as they will show them the correct means to follow.  First and foremost you should equip yourself with knowledge, so you can propogate that knowledge.  Whether the people accept or not should not be your concern, that is in the Hand of Allah.

I am very happy to hear that you are interested in propogating the religion.  Please continue to make effort sincerely for Allah and keep in touch!

And Allah knows best.

Be merciful to those on earth, and the One in the Heavens will be merciful to you.
« Reply #2 on: Jul 26, 2008 09:13 PM »

 'Alim told him you can compromise on makrooh and mustahabb for the
greater good but never on halaal and haraam. 'Alim says "Based on my
research donkey is not haraam, but makrooh". Based on circumstances a
makrooh can become mustahabb and a mustahabb can become makrooh. See Ibn
Khaldun's "Bidayat al-Mujtahid".

In Khaybar Prophet forbade donkey because they needed to use them to ride on. 
For example, chicken is halaal but a mujtahid can pronouce chicken haraam if there is a shortage of
chicken and they need to temporarily breed more chickens until the number becomes safe to prevent
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