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« on: Sep 28, 2008 11:09 PM »




Hang 'Em High!

By Israel Shamir

 

Seven years after 9/11, we witness another, greater and even more enjoyable collapse, that of the American financial pyramid. It took some twenty years in building; its collapse took only a few weeks. Let us cut the hypocritical crap: this was a wonderful show, no ifs, ands or buts. The US stock markets boomed when they bombed Baghdad and Belgrade , they prospered when they robbed Moscow and squeezed sweat from Beijing . When they had it good, they had plenty of money for invading Iraq , threatening Iran and strangling Palestine . In short, when it was good for them, it was bad for us. Let them have a taste of their own medicine!

 

“They” are not the Americans, and “we” are not the rest of the planet. “They” are a small sliver of the American population, the get-rich-quick crowd from the East Side of Manhattan and similar places. The last twenty years witnessed a great shift of money upwards, to a smaller and smaller pack of greedy beasts. While the majority of Americans lost the ability to send their children to universities, these fat cats bought themselves villas in Florida and houses in Tel Aviv. Worse, they spent their billions buying up the media in order to subvert American democracy and send American soldiers to fight wars in far-away places. A big part of the stolen money was siphoned off to Israel , where apartment prices went through the roof and are still rising.

 

They had it good; they were proud that the financial charts of the US and of the world were drawn up in a small room by Henry Paulson of the Treasury, Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan of the Federal Reserve, by Maurice Greenberg of A.I.G. They built their world surrounded by Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Marc Rich, Michael Milken, Andrew Fastow, George Soros, et al. Their exciting new world of Lexus and Nexus was glorified by Tom Friedman of the New York Times. They gave the Nobel Prize in Economics to Myron Scholes and Robert C. Merton, proud board directors of the now infamous Long Term Capital Management hedge fund that was bailed out by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to the tune of $3.6 billion. President Bush rewarded them for their unaccountability by releasing them from the burden of taxation. Let them pay now for all the fun they had.

 

They took your real dollars and turned it into funny money -- “unredeemable, non-interest- bearing promissory notes of the Fed, that are not backed by anything other than the confidence of the credulous”, in the words of one Internet wit. The ruination of the American working class and even its middle class is unavoidable The fears about the Large Hadron Collider creating a big black hole in place of Earth were based on this sinking feeling that the incredible riches of the US are disappearing into their own black hole.

 

This is not the first confidence trick in US history: Jay Gould and Joseph Seligman caused the 'Black Friday' stock market crash in the late 19th century, while Jacob Schiff caused the notorious ‘Black Thursday’ panic that led to a nationwide economic depression[1]. Seligman was also the mover behind the Panama affair, a stock market swindle that became proverbial in France . The swindle was set up by two Jews of German origin, Jacques Reinach and Cornelius Herz who bribed parliamentarians. While Reinach was working on the right wing, the ‘Republicans’ of his day, Herz was working on the ‘Democrats’. Wikipedia quotes Hannah Arendt, who wrote that the middlemen between the business sector and the state were almost exclusively Jews. This warm embrace between the state and the business sector was a recipe for disaster.

 

Obviously things have changed since then, and now the Mammonites are of various persuasions, even of Christian Science, like Hank Paulson, whose net worth is estimated at $700 million and whose career at Goldman Sachs (Chairman 1998-2006) made him the obvious choice for the position of secretary of the treasury. Only their devotion to the god of Greed remained constant. In the world of ideal capitalism (“market economy”) they so glorified, they would have paid a price. In Glen David Gold’s vastly entertaining novel Carter Beats the Devil, their spiritual ancestor was tarred and feathered by strong-willed Connecticut folk circa 1670, for he had bought a whole boatload of imported products with the criminal intent of getting rich quick by cornering the market and ripping off his fellow men. Nowadays such a criminal would get a medal from the neo-liberal Milton Friedman Fund, a citation from JINSA and be taught as a positive example by the Harvard Business School .

 

Now they intend to use their control over the government in order to shift their losses onto ordinary Americans. Whether this act is called ‘nationalisation’ or ‘privatisation’ or ‘bailout’, the bottom line is that many Americans will find themselves poor, and all Americans will have a huge tax burden to bear. But the perpetrators of the pyramid will get off scot-free; they will retire to their castles and to their sure and protected investments as they have always done before.

 

The Americans were played for suckers; they were cleaned out as easily as were the unsophisticated Albanians a few years ago. Even worse: the Albanians took out their guns and pursued the robbers; the Americans take it all lying down. But the device was the same.

 

The Americans are entitled to know who robbed them and their children: these are the men who became so ostentatiously rich during last two decades. They should pay the price of their crime. And if the government, the President, the Congress and Senate, the Democrats and the Republicans are reluctant to enforce it, the ordinary Americans may do as their Connecticut Yankee ancestors did: apply tar and feathers liberally. If this does not help, hang the bastards on the lamp posts.

 

This is exactly the time to remember why America ’s Founding Fathers enshrined the people’s right to own and bear arms in the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Thank God the ADL did not cancel it yet. These arms are not for robbers: they are given to enforce justice when all other means fail. Aux armes, to arms, as the French said when giving this treatment to their tricksters. America has a great tradition of instant direct justice enforcement, this Hang’em High call of the Westerns. Heed it now!   

 

Let US soldiers come back from unneeded wars and remote bases all over the world: their real enemy is in their own country. In the ringing, still relevant words of Lenin, let us turn the imperial war into a civil one, against the greedy bastards. Instead of charging taxpayers, turn the US into a billionaire- free zone! The billionaires, these greediest rats, gained most from the Great Pyramid; pauperise them. Nullify their bank accounts. The disappearance of trillions of dollars from their electronic bank accounts will drive the value of the greenback up; your salary will become real money again!

 

If we assume that more than half of all billionaires are proud members of the Israel Lobby, it will also solve the Middle Eastern problem. To be on the safe side, confiscate all the assets of the Pyramid-builders: of Paulson and Bernanke, of Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs executives, and of President Bush who allowed it all to happen. Peace will come to Palestine , Afghanistan and Iraq ; Americans will again become proud of their country. Such mass confiscation will restore democracy in the US : the next candidates for the Presidency will not go hat in hand to AIPAC to declare their fealty. The defeat of Greed will turn people back to God; the eliminated ballast will allow for national medical care, social security and free education for all. Instead of being a disaster, the financial collapse offers a unique opportunity to fix all America ’s ills. Do not miss it!

 

Speaking for the wide world outside America , I’ll tell you this: do not throw good money after bad. Reject the seductive purring from Washington . Consider your funds in the US already lost. If you can still get something, good; but do not waste money and efforts to regain what is gone. There is a most valuable asset you may get for the lost ones; that is your freedom and independence. An undermined dollar means your economy will be safe. The Pyramid collapse will set you free!
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 30, 2008 02:01 PM »

what an idiotic post.

it gloats over the loss of homes by normal homeowners and the ravaging of people's pension accounts by financial crisis.

to those of you jealous people who are longing for the demise of america  -- well this not do it.  the doubling or the short term credit rates will stall the economy, people will be laid off, companies without cash and needing short term credit to finance their daily affairs will go bust.  but eventually all of this will subside.  the billionaires will hardly be affected. in fact they will probably make a huge amount of money off of this by buying up distressed assets and selling them when things stabilize.

if you love muslims and islam, you would do better to pray for the rejevunation of education and expertise in the muslim world, so muslims can stand on their own feet, rather than selfishly praying for the destruction of another people.

it really annoys me when muslims are sooo petty.  if Allah truly loves you then you can afford to be generous in words and actions.

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« Reply #2 on: Sep 30, 2008 02:05 PM »

"it really annoys me when muslims are sooo petty"

That article was written by a famous Jewish Israeli Journalist so it shouldn't annoy you at all.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 30, 2008 02:21 PM »

ditto everything lucid said.

we are all interconnected. economic downturn affects the entire world and EVERY person. the poorer get POORER. the rich may get poorer but who cares as they are already rich (one less latte for them). i can't see anyone who would rejoice over worldwide depression except a miserly scrooge who will hoard his own money and watch people starve around him.


That article was written by a famous Jewish Israeli Journalist so it shouldn't annoy you at all.

it doesn't matter if an alien on mars wrote it. it's still wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 30, 2008 04:26 PM »

"we are all interconnected. economic downturn affects the entire world and EVERY person."
I agree with this bit, but with a different consequence to what you are proposing.
Yes we are interconnected, so the more money the rich have the less the poor have, the more the poor have the less the rich have.
Whenever the imperialist nations were rich, they used their wealth to rob the rest of the world, whenever they were poor the rest of the world were able to free themselves.
And this is the case now. Before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan America was doing well. So it could afford to send armies to rob and kill. Now they are doing badly can they really afford to bomb more countries, to invade, where will the money come from? Now they have something to lose by war mongering. And the poorer they get the more they have to lose.
And when it comes to poor Americans, they have nothing to lose from the collapse of America, America has no Universal free health care like much of the rest of the world, and universities are not free like Europe and a lot of Muslim countries. So the poor haven’t got much to lose as America as a system only serves the rich, or maybe just a tiny fraction of the rich made up by the Jewish elite.

The theory which you are proposing is called the ‘trickle down effect’, it states that if the rich get richer they will spend and the wealth will trickle all the way down to the bottom of the pyramid to the very poor. Implicitly this theory means that if the rich get poorer, the poor will also get poorer.
I don’t see this theory as fact; I believe it is just lying propaganda invented by the extremely rich as a excuse to steal from the poor.
I believe like the Jewish Israeli Journalist the rich Jewish king makers in America use their wealth to take more wealth from everyone else. They decide who gets elected; they even decide who can run for elections in both parties, as they use their wealth and their control of the media to make the choice for the voters. So they decide when America makes wars on Muslims, so they can increase their wealth by stealing from the poorest.

Lucid assumed that some one with a first name like Israel would be a Muslim because he hates America, but the fact is the whole world hates America not just Muslims.
America steals from the whole world and the whole world knows this.
It is time people in America realise it. Even people in a nation like Israel which is completely financed by America hate America. Evil is evil, and even Israeli Jews can spot it. Even Israeli Jews who have killed Muslims can see what America is doing to Muslims and others is wrong, and good Jews like Israel Shamir and GILAD ATZMON
 want it to stop. It might shock you to realise this but many Israeli Jews support Palestinian Bombers, Hamas and Hizbullah. In the same way many white South Africans supported Nelson Mandela when Mandela was carrying out attacks on white South African civilians with the slogan, “One settler one bullet”.
But we hate the Jews who support us, we call them haters while fellow Jews call them self haters, and we love the ones who kill us with the excuse of turning the other check. This isn’t tolerance of people with other religions. The message it sends to Non-Muslims is if you want Muslims to hate you support Muslims and hate people who attack Muslims, if you want Muslims to love you attack Muslims.
Winston Churchill knew this when he set up Israel. When he was asked why he would do this when the Arabs (Muslims) had supported him so much he answered, “The Arabs (Muslims) are Dogs, if you kick them in the face they lick your face to show how much they love you”.
We are seeing the implicit meaning of that quote here, if a Jew supports Muslims, Muslims attack him.


America has colonised two Muslim countries. Murdered Millions of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. Tortured countless others, stolen trillions from Muslim countries. Rapes Muslim women as part of their wars against Islam.
Arms Christian terrorists in South Sudan and Indonesia to kill Muslims. Steals Muslim children from Muslim countries so they can be brought up as Christians.
And still some Muslims want America to stay wealthy?
Is Winston Churchill being proven right?
What will they have to do for you to change your minds?
What haven’t they already done?
Is there anything left for them to do?
Even Israeli Jews are realising that America must be stopped; it amazes me that some Muslims in America still can’t see this.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 30, 2008 10:00 PM »

Asalamualaikum wrt wb,


All praise be to Allah.


The economic downturn in America should be an opportunity for ordinary Americans to reflect on their affairs, their actions, their troubles, and correct their wrongs.

This is God's way of dealing with nations.  Nations rise and fall in proportion to the amount of justice they spread in the earth, according to Ibn Taymiyyah.

If it were not for this Sunnah of Allah, nations would oppress and be tyranical, and despotic.  But this Sunnah is a mercy from Allah.


When a person's rizq is diminished, he should reflect at the causes of his loss.  Most of all, he should turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness.


There is a story mentioned in Surah Qalam, of some young men who owned a fertile garden.  They conspired one day to go early in the morning, and reap all the fruits, and deprive the poor of their fair share.

They set out, and behold!  Their garden had become a vast wasteland.


It is time for Americans to change the wrongs of the past and stop oppression from being done in their names.

And Allah knows best.


068.017 Verily We have tried them as We tried the People of the Garden, when they resolved to gather the fruits of the (garden) in the morning.

068.018 But made no reservation, ("If it be God's Will").

068.019 Then there came on the (garden) a visitation from thy Lord, (which swept away) all around, while they were asleep.

068.020 So the (garden) became, by the morning, like a dark and desolate spot, (whose fruit had been gathered).

068.021 As the morning broke, they called out, one to another,-

068.022 "Go ye to your tilth (betimes) in the morning, if ye would gather the fruits."

068.023 So they departed, conversing in secret low tones, (saying)-

068.024 "Let not a single indigent person break in upon you into the (garden) this day."

068.025 And they opened the morning, strong in an (unjust) resolve.

068.026 But when they saw the (garden), they said: "We have surely lost our way:

068.027 "Indeed we are shut out (of the fruits of our labour)!"

068.028 Said one of them, more just (than the rest): "Did I not say to you, 'Why not glorify (God)?'"

068.029 They said: "Glory to our Lord! Verily we have been doing wrong!"

068.030 Then they turned, one against another, in reproach.

068.031 They said: "Alas for us! We have indeed transgressed!

068.032 "It may be that our Lord will give us in exchange a better (garden) than this: for we do turn to Him (in repentance)!"

068.033 Such is the Punishment (in this life); but greater is the Punishment in the Hereafter,- if only they knew!


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« Reply #6 on: Oct 01, 2008 02:03 AM »

by your logic muslims are the most sinful people because their rizq has decreased the most.  they are the poorest, and their rate of rizq increase compared to the west even with this financial crisis is far far less.

people should also note the the first people affected in this kind of crisis are emerging markets.  look at indonesia, for example.  its capital markets have been destroyed in recent months because of this.  in fact there is a great deal of pressure on all asian countries because of currency devaluation because of the flight of capital out of the country, and real estate prices even in the middle east are under threat.  i think it is perverse to think it is good if the malaysian ringitt or other such currency falls signicantly in value.  in fact all of this makes the dollar stronger (US richer) and the muslim currencies weaker (currency depreciation in muslim countries)...

how can muslims come up with this kind of nonsense that a rizq decrease is good?  we say there is good in everything God does, but don't abuse the idea...
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 01, 2008 09:40 AM »

This is how:

Muslims can be sinful just as easily as Kaffir.
Just as Riba bankers are being taught a lesson in how they should have done business according to the laws of the bible in America, some Muslims who deal in riba need to be taught the same lesson.
And the people who didn’t deal in riba themselves but allowed it to take place around them need to be taught a bigger lesson. They should have fought to liberate their lands from kufr law, they didn’t and now they may have to face to consequences of kufr law.
The system that the Quran and Sunnah tells us to live by is the Khilafah, but people preferred to live by the Usurious Capitalist system in clear contravention of Allah’s laws stating kufr is more beneficial than Islam, this banking crises show them just how wrong they are.
















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  Islamic Banks Unaffected by Global Financial Crisis
Wednesday, 01 October 2008 06:18
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Asharq Al-Awsat

By Mohammed Al-Hamzani

Riyadh, Asharq Al-Awsat- A number of experts and officials of Islamic banks and financial institutions have confirmed that Islamic banks have not been affected by the global financial crisis, and that any effects would be limited due to the nature of Islamic banking.

Experts told Asharq Al-Awsat that Islamic banks are untouched by the current crisis due to the nature of Islamic banking especially that it does not deal in debt trading and distances itself from market speculation that takes place in European and American banks.

CEO of the Bahraini-based Albaraka Banking Group Adnan Ahmed Yousif stated that Islamic banks do not rely on bonds or stocks, and are not involved in the buying and selling of debt unlike most conventional European and US banks. He noted that Islamic banking is distinguished by the fact that it is prohibited from buying debts under Islamic Sharia law; therefore, Islamic banks are safe from the effects of the global financial crisis.

Adnan Yousif, who also chairs the Union of Arab Banks, reiterated that Islamic banks are largely sheltered from this crisis; however, it is inevitable that they will be affected to a certain degree as they are part of the wider global financial system and consequently will be affected by all global financial dealings, even if only in an indirect manner.

Yousif predicted that this global crisis will continue for two years or more. He argued that Islamic banks have become a safe haven for secured liquidity and are in a good position. The success of Islamic banking will lead to serious consideration of Islamic economics, which continues to realize numerous achievements, as a viable alternative to the current global economic system which continues to be hit by these crises.

Adnan Yousif further explained that the expected losses to be incurred by a number of banks in the Gulf region and Arab countries will not be declared, as major banks and investment funds, and sovereign wealth funds in particular, have investments in Europe and America.

General Manager and board member of the Arab Finance House Dr. Fouad Nadim Matraji explained that Islamic banks have not been affected by the mortgage crisis that afflicted the international financial markets and that they are largely immune against such crisis thanks to inherent factors within Islamic banking. The most important of these factors is the prohibition of debt trading, taking precautions against money laundering, as well as the official and professional restraints upon which banks are based such as caution against embarking upon projects that entail financial difficulties and risks.

Dr. Matraji explained that Islamic banks have several alternatives [to conventional banking products] such as Ijarah Bitamlik [a renting contract that ends in ownership], Murabaha etc. which demonstrate that Islamic banking is a sound and systematic alternative banking system that others should take as an example. Islamic finance is expected to increase on the international level and its number of customers is also expected to rise as they search for an alternative [banking system].

Matraji added that Islamic banking is distinguished by a commitment to uphold integrity and its distancing from risky projects. He pointed out that this crisis has caused significant global inflation in world banks because they buy debts and enlarge accounts without tangible transactions taking place or without brokers being aware of them, highlighting that Islamic banks do not engage in such ventures.

Matraji added that only the profits of Islamic banks could be affected by the international financial crisis, but not the capital, which is protected by Islamic banking unlike conventional banks.

Dr. Tawfiq Bin Abdul Aziz al Swailem, Chairman of the Gulf Bureau for Research and Economic Consultation, said that Islamic banking is a part of the global economy and can be affected either negatively or positively by it but Islamic banks are not major investors in conventional western banks so as to be affected by such crises.

Dr. al Swailem added that the impact [that the crisis has had] on some markets in the Gulf and the surrounding areas, is psychological and is caused by media coverage over the past few days.

Relying on over 25 years of experience in the Saudi financial sector, Dr. al Swailem expects Islamic banks to end the year successfully with the forthcoming announcements of their budgets because of the clarity of contracts and Islamic banking projects that are spread throughout the countries of the Islamic world.

The international financial crisis began over a year ago, and has intensified over the past few months. The International Monetary Fund warned that this credit crisis will result in losses of over one trillion dollars and that it may worsen especially that the 150-year-old US financial giant Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy not to mention the sale of financial services firm Merrill Lynch to the Bank of America. These two news items heralded the worst of this financial crisis so far, and speculation continues as to whether this crisis has reached its peak or if worse is yet to come.
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