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« on: Sep 29, 2008 10:40 AM »


Military, maritime officials say hijacked Ukrainian arms destined to South Sudan
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September 28, 2008 (KHARTOUM) — A Sudanese military source said today that the weapons carried by the seized Ukrainian ship were destined for South Sudan and not Kenya. These allegations were confirmed by a Kenyan maritime official.

Somali pirates hijacked last Thursday a Belize-flagged ship “Faina” as it neared the Kenyan port of Mombasa carrying a cargo of 33 Soviet-type T-72 tanks, grenade launchers and ammunition.

The Somali pirates demand a ransom 20 USD million to release the cargo ship.

The Sudanese official asserted that the cargo was destined to southern Sudan army adding that it was the second cargo to Juba during this year. He further dismissed reports that these weapons are for Kenya saying all its military equipments are from the US and western countries.

In Nairobi, the government spokesperson, Alfred Mutua said Faina cargo ship was carrying an authorized Ukrainian government arms shipment for the Kenyan army

South Sudan government led by the former rebel SPLM, which signed a peace agreement in 2005 with the Khartoum government ending 21 years of war, is not allowed to buy weapons.

Andrew Mwangura, head of the East Africa Seafarers Assistance Program from the Kenyan capital, said the Somali pirates claim they captured confidential documents showing that the arms shipment destined to southern Sudan. They threat to divulgate it if they are not paid.

"The pirates are saying that if they are not going to be paid the ransom, they will spill the beans. Maybe they are going to say what is happening in this region because we understand South Sudan is under a United Nations arms embargo and why Kenya allowing the military equipment to pass through Kenyan waters is not known," Mwangura said.

The Kenyan maritime official further said that the hijacked ship was ferrying the fourth such consignment from Ukrainian to southern Sudan. "One of the cargo arrived at the port of Mombasa in October last year, two in February this year." He said.

Yesterday, Major General Byor Ajang from the SPLA said that the Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) did not order any new weapons. “The SPLA did not have Russian weapons shipments that were on its way here through Kenya” Ajang said.

Piracy is rampant along the 1,880-mile Somali coast, the longest in Africa and located near key shipping routes connecting the Red Sea with the Indian Ocean. A Spanish trawler, a French yacht and several ships carrying humanitarian aid have been seized this year.

At least 55 boats have been attacked in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean since January by Somali pirates, according to the International Maritime Office (IMB).
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 29, 2008 08:38 PM »

Pirated Arms Freighter Cornered by U.S. Navy

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By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: September 29, 2008

NAIROBI, Kenya — The American military on Monday tightened the naval noose around an arms-laden freighter hijacked by pirates, sealing off any possible escape in a standoff near the craggy Somalia coastline

Lt. Nathan Christensen, a Navy spokesman, said that “several destroyers and missile cruisers” had joined the American destroyer that was already tailing the hijacked vessel and that the pirates were now surrounded. He would not specify the exact number of warships or what they would do if the pirates refused to surrender.

“Our intent is for the ship not to offload any of its cargo,” he said, referring to the 33 battle tanks and large supply of grenade launchers and ammunition now in the hands of a band of pirates.

The ship, operated by a Ukrainian arms supplier, was hijacked on Thursday in Somalia’s pirate-infested waters. The American military, among others, fears the pirates could sell the dangerous cargo to Islamist insurgents battling Somalia’s weak government.

Meanwhile, the controversy over where exactly the tanks were going has heated up again.

Two Western diplomats in Nairobi, a maritime official and the pirates themselves said the arms were headed for Sudan or other neighboring countries, not Kenya, as the Kenya government has repeatedly claimed.

One of the diplomats, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said there may have been a secret arms deal in which Kenya would be a transit point for the weapons to be taken by train from the port of Mombasa and then out of the country.

``I can tell you these tanks were not for Kenya,” the diplomat said.

The Kenyan government has denied this. On Monday, government spokesman Alfred Mutua said, ``we buy weapons all the time. I don’t see what the big deal is.”

He also characterized the pirates, in a statement, as ``a rag-tag terrorism unit.”

Ukrainian tanks, though, are a relative anomaly in Kenya, which has been a close ally of the United States and Britain for decades and has been equipped with Western-made weapons.

Dr. Mutua acknowledged this, saying most of Kenya’s tanks were ``old British tanks.”

But, he added, the Ukrainian tanks were cheaper.

``We choose who we buy from,” he said. ``And we buy equipment from all over the world.”

Kenya recently bought several Chinese-made trucks to transport troops.

The first news reports on Friday regarding the hijacked ship said the arms were headed for south Sudan, which is an autonomous region of Sudan that fought a long separatist war against the northern Sudanese government. There are currently American sanctions and a United Nations arms embargo against Sudan, though American officials said the application of these sanctions is complicated and that it may not be illegal for Kenya to provide tanks to south Sudan. United Nations officials said that in the past few years several large arms shipments have passed through Kenya en route to south Sudan. Often, the weapons are moved across the border at night.

Andrew Mwangura, program coordinator for the Seafarers’ Assistance Program in Kenya, which tracks pirate attacks, called the Ukrainian ship ``a tricky vessel.”

``The tanks were for Sudan and the Kenya government doesn’t want to admit it because of the embargo,” he said.

Mr. Mwangura was among the first maritime officials last week to disclose that the hijacked cargo ship was crammed with weapons. He said that his organization monitors shipping in the Indian Ocean and has contacts around the world. Mr. Mwangura said among the weapons aboard the hijacked ship was ammunition made from depleted uranium, which is dangerous to handle and typically used to pierce armor.The pirates holding the ship have said they are not interested in the cargo and will release it and the 20 crew members if they are paid a ransom of $20 million in cash. Already one crew member has died, which the pirates have attributed to natural causes.

Somalia’s waters are considered the most dangerous in the world. More than 50 ships, from sailboats to oil tankers have been attacked this year. Many are still being held for ransom.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 29, 2008 10:55 PM »

Asalamualaikum wrt wb,


All praise be to Allah.



Shaykh Muhammad said:  What a sad state of affairs it is for the Ummah, if it has to buy its weapons from its opponents and enemies.



And it is even sadder if they have to pirate ships.  This is not the way to revive the Ummah.  The first step is to come together on one word in true belief, and then tarbiyya, to raise a generation of noble youth who can provide the leadership that this Ummah needs, and people who are true in their practice of Islam.



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« Reply #3 on: Sep 30, 2008 05:52 AM »

The people who bought these weapons were Christians. They were bought to kill Muslims.
I don’t think those pirates are saints, but now they have those weapons that were meant to be used against their Muslim brothers they should destroy them if they can’t get them to their brothers.
The weapons include illegal Uranium tipped shells. If these are used against Muslims, Muslims children will be born with hideous Mutations and cancers as is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.

America was the nation that imposed an arms embargo on Sudan to stop the government there fighting Christian terrorists who want to carve up the country. But this incident proves their hypocrisy as they are illegally breaking their own arms embargo by supply the Christian Terrorists of south Sudan with weapons including illegal radioactive weapons of the kind America uses on Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The piracy has a certain context. Most of the pirates are fishermen. They can’t fish anymore because of two reasons. Western nations use Somalia as a dumping ground for hazardous waste, including medical waste and nuclear waste. These drums full of poison washes up on Somalia’s shores poisoning people and the fish they depend on. Secondly the shores that haven’t been poisoned are illegally fished empty by fleets from western nations, this is clear theft.
The question we need to ask is how many of those ships the pirates captured were dumping nuclear waste on Somalia at the time of being captured?
How many were illegally fishing in Somalian waters?
Before we condemn these fishermen we need to remember why they have stopped their fishing. And ask our selves what would we do in that situation.
Would we watch our children starve to death? Would we send our wives and daughters to work as prostitutes so our younger children could eat?
What is the alternative?
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 30, 2008 10:11 PM »

Asalamualaikum wrt wb,


All praise be to Allah.


The alternative is to follow the Quran and Sunnah, and the scholars, and the deen, and Prophet, pbuh, and not follow our whims and desires.  This will only lead to further harm and destruction.

Allah says (translation of meaning):  Let not the injustice of others lead you to do injustice, be just, for that is closer to piety.

This fisherman are not acting in the name of Islam.  They are seeking worldy gains.  If they were sincere for the sake of Allah, perhaps they would go obtain an Islamic education and come back to teach their youth to come together on the Kalimah of Tawheed, and stop fighting each other.


In any case, the weapons are useless for the Somalis are for the most part illiterate and poor.  As Shaykh Muhammad said, we live in the age of nuclear power and space travel, and you have ignorant people sending their kids to kill themselves, or worse yet using them to blow up others.  What ignorance is this?  Islam does not teach this.

We have to build a strong Ummah, and that strength begins by building our youth, and it is built on knowledge and guidance and following the Sunnah.



The Ummah has to change by following the scholars, and listening to their advice, and not taking the law into their own hands and spreading mischief on the earth.


And Allah knows best.

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« Reply #5 on: Sep 30, 2008 10:35 PM »

Salam walakum wr wb

Is this another one of those my scholars are better than their scholars posts?

Remembering the American backed invasion of Somalia by Christian Ethiopians was done to remove the rulership of Scholars.
I think those scholars would be a better judge of whether they need those weapons then you.
America thinks you are wrong though, that’s why they have sent helicopters and ships to try and ensure that the Ulima do not get hold of those weapons.

Secondly who are the oppressors?
Who are the unjust? The people the Christian imperialists call pirates call themselves the Somali’s navel police. They state that the money they demand is a fine for transporting weapons in Somalian waters illegally. Who do we trust?
Since when have Christian narrations been treated as more truthful than Muslim narrations. If we are expected to obey kufr law when we are in kaffir countries, why is it unjust to impose fines on kaffir who illegally enter Muslim territories for illegal purposes. Bearing in mind that the ship was carrying illegal weapons, which were sold to Christian terrorists illegally? Is it really so unjust of Somalia to fine them for illegally transporting those illegal weapons over Somalian territorial waters illegally, for illegal purposes?


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Somali pirates say arms shipment belongs to Sudan
13 hours ago
NAIROBI (AFP) — Somali pirates holding a Ukrainian freighter carrying military hardware said Tuesday the weapons were headed for Sudan and not Kenya, and denied that three of their own were killed in a shootout.
"We are confirming that these weapons do not belong to the government of Kenya but belong to southern Sudan," the spokesman Sugule Ali said over satellite telephone from the ship.
"But whoever is the weapons' owner is not our problem, our problem is the 20 million dollars," he said, referring to their demands for ransom.
Nathan Christensen, spokesman for the Bahrain-based US Fifth Fleet, said on Monday that the MV Faina -- which its cargo of 33 Soviet-type combat tanks and other military hardware -- was destined for a client in Sudan.
Both Kiev and Nairobi have denied Washington's claim, as did a Sudanese army spokesman.
The ship, was seized by Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean last week on its way to the Kenyan port of Mombasa, is currently being shadowed by US navy warships.
Kenya had said from the onset that the shipment was being delievered as part of a deal with Ukraine to update its military hardware.
The pirates have demanded millions of dollars (euro) to free the Belize-flagged ship, its cargo and crew of 21 consisting of Ukrainians, Russians and Latvians.
But the ship's captain died of an illness on board, according to Russian media.
"We are sticking to the demand for 20 million dollars. This is not ransom, but a fine for unlawfully transporting weapons on Somali waters," Sugule added.
The spokesman denied claims by Andrew Mwangura, who runs the Kenya chapter of the Seafarers Assistance Programme, that three pirates who killed in a shootout triggered by disagreement on what to with with the captured ship.
Mwangura said moderate and hardline pirates fought late Monday.
"We are united as we were before and there was no fighting that took place among us," Sugule said.
"This is propaganda being spread by some people who are not aware of our situation. We are united in punishing those who abuse Somali waters."
Piracy along Somalia's long, unpatrolled coastline on the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden started years ago as an effort to deter foreign fishing boats depleting the country's maritime resources.
It has bloomed into a well-organised industry, with pirates armed to the teeth targeting anything from yachts to huge merchant vessels and demanding huge ransoms.
Somalia's northeastern tip juts out into the Indian Ocean and commands access to the Gulf of Aden, a key international maritime route leading to the Suez Canal and through which an estimated 30 percent of the world's oil transits.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 02, 2008 09:49 AM »

Somali Islamists tell pirates to destroy Ukrainian arms ship

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MOGADISHU (AFP) — Somali Islamist militants on Thursday urged pirates holding a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and military hardware to destroy the cargo and the vessel if they are not paid ransom.

As US warships and other navies blockaded the MV Faina off Somalia's Indian Ocean coast, the pirates have insisted on being paid 20 million dollars to release the cargo and the 21-member crew.

"If they do not get the money they are demanding, we call on them to either burn down the ship and its arms or sink it," Sheikh Mukhtar Robow, a spokesman for the Shabab movement, told AFP in an interview.

But Robow said his movement, which is gradually gaining ground over government troops in southern Somalia, was not linked to the pirates who seized the Belize-flagged freighter last week as it headed for Mombasa in Kenya.

"We have no contacts and links with the pirates and they are in the waters for their own interests."

"It is a crime to take commercial ships but hijacking vessels that carry arms for the enemy of Allah is a different matter," added Robow, whose movement nearly stamped out piracy when it controlled southern Somalia last year.

Robow claimed that the 33 Soviet-era T72 battle tanks and other military hardware on the MV Faina belonged to Ethiopian forces, who are propping up the embattled Somali government in the capital Mogadishu.

"We believe that the military shipment belonged to Ethiopia and was headed to Mogadishu seaport, where it would have been unloaded with the intention of destroying Somalia, but that never happened," he said.

Earlier in the week, the pirates said the arms were headed for Sudan. The Ukrainian owners of the freighter and Kenyan government said the tanks were destined for Kenya.

The US Navy has vowed to prevent the pirates from offloading the arms, but Robow said his movement would not mind getting hold of them in a bid to boost its campaign against soldiers from Somalia, Ethiopia and the African Union.

"The Ukrainian ship is loaded with military hardware that is very important for our holy war against the enemy of Allah and it would have changed the war in Somalia if that military shipment falls in our hands," he said.

The number of pirates  currently operating off the coast of Somalia, with backing concentrated in the northern breakaway state of Puntland, is believed to be upward of 1,000. Most of them are former coastguards.

London-based think tank Chatham House said in a new report that on piracy in Somalia that the "total ransom payments for 2008 probably lie in the range of 18-30 million dollars."
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 05, 2008 08:09 AM »

For those trying to make them out to be heroes/jihadis or whatever. They're pirates and only pirates. --J.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/africa/01pirates.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin


Somali Pirates Tell Their Side: They Want Only Money


NAIROBI, Kenya — The Somali pirates who hijacked a Ukrainian freighter loaded with tanks, artillery, grenade launchers and ammunition said in an interview on Tuesday that they had no idea the ship was carrying arms when they seized it on the high seas.

“We just saw a big ship,” the pirates’ spokesman, Sugule Ali, said in a telephone interview. “So we stopped it.”

The pirates quickly learned, though, that their booty was an estimated $30 million worth of heavy weaponry, heading for Kenya or Sudan, depending on whom you ask.

In a 45-minute interview, Mr. Sugule spoke on everything from what the pirates wanted (“just money”) to why they were doing this (“to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters”) to what they had to eat on board (rice, meat, bread, spaghetti, “you know, normal human-being food”).

He said that so far, in the eyes of the world, the pirates had been misunderstood. “We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits,” he said. “We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard.”

The pirates who answered the phone call on Tuesday morning said they were speaking by satellite phone from the bridge of the Faina, the Ukrainian cargo ship that was hijacked about 200 miles off the coast of Somalia on Thursday. Several pirates talked but said that only Mr. Sugule was authorized to be quoted. Mr. Sugule acknowledged that they were now surrounded by American warships, but he did not sound afraid. “You only die once,” Mr. Sugule said.

He said that all was peaceful on the ship, despite unconfirmed reports from maritime organizations in Kenya that three pirates were killed in a shootout among themselves on Sunday or Monday night.

He insisted that the pirates were not interested in the weapons and had no plans to sell them to Islamist insurgents battling Somalia’s weak transitional government. “Somalia has suffered from many years of destruction because of all these weapons,” he said. “We don’t want that suffering and chaos to continue. We are not going to offload the weapons. We just want the money.”

He said the pirates were asking for $20 million in cash; “we don’t use any other system than cash.” But he added that they were willing to bargain. “That’s deal-making,” he explained.

Piracy in Somalia is a highly organized, lucrative, ransom-driven business. Just this year, pirates hijacked more than 25 ships, and in many cases, they were paid million-dollar ransoms to release them. The juicy payoffs have attracted gunmen from across Somalia, and the pirates are thought to number in the thousands.

The piracy industry started about 10 to 15 years ago, Somali officials said, as a response to illegal fishing. Somalia’s central government imploded in 1991, casting the country into chaos. With no patrols along the shoreline, Somalia’s tuna-rich waters were soon plundered by commercial fishing fleets from around the world. Somali fishermen armed themselves and turned into vigilantes by confronting illegal fishing boats and demanding that they pay a tax.

“From there, they got greedy,” said Mohamed Osman Aden, a Somali diplomat in Kenya. “They starting attacking everyone.”

By the early 2000s, many of the fishermen had traded in their nets for machine guns and were hijacking any vessel they could catch: sailboat, oil tanker, United Nations-chartered food ship.

“It’s true that the pirates started to defend the fishing business,” Mr. Mohamed said. “And illegal fishing is a real problem for us. But this does not justify these boys to now act like guardians. They are criminals. The world must help us crack down on them.”

The United States and several European countries, in particular France, have been talking about ways to patrol the waters together. The United Nations is even considering something like a maritime peacekeeping force. Because of all the hijackings, the waters off Somalia’s coast are considered the most dangerous shipping lanes in the world.

On Tuesday, several American warships — around five, according to one Western diplomat — had the hijacked freighter cornered along the craggy Somali coastline. The American ships allowed the pirates to bring food and water on board, but not to take weapons off. A Russian frigate is also on its way to the area.

Lt. Nathan Christensen, a Navy spokesman, said on Tuesday that he had heard the unconfirmed reports about the pirate-on-pirate shootout, but that the Navy had no more information. “To be honest, we’re not seeing a whole lot of activity” on the ship, he said.

In Washington, Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, declined to discuss any possible American military operations to capture the ship.

“Our concern is right now making sure that there’s a peaceful resolution to this, that this cargo does not end up in the hands of anyone who would use it in a way that would be destabilizing to the region,” Mr. Morrell told reporters at the Pentagon. He said the United States government was not involved in any negotiations with the pirates. He also said he had no information about reports that the pirates had exchanged gunfire among themselves.

Kenyan officials continued to maintain that the weapons aboard were part of a legitimate arms deal for the Kenyan military, even though several Western diplomats, Somali officials and the pirates themselves said the arms were part of a secret deal to funnel weapons to southern Sudan.

Somali officials are urging the Western navies to storm the ship and arrest the pirates because they say that paying ransoms only fuels the problem. Western diplomats, however, have said that such a commando operation would be very difficult because the ship is full of explosives and the pirates could use the 20 crew members as human shields.

Mr. Sugule said his men were treating the crew members well. (The pirates would not let the crew members speak on the phone, saying it was against their rules.) “Killing is not in our plans,” he said. “We only want money so we can protect ourselves from hunger.”

When asked why the pirates needed $20 million to protect themselves from hunger, Mr. Sugule laughed and said, “Because we have a lot of men.”
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