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« on: Oct 13, 2008 04:53 AM »


  Mideast Muslims: U.S. financial crisis is divine punishment
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Haaretz

America's opponents in the Middle East are gloating at the financial meltdown in the United States, describing it as the divinely inspired collapse of an overstretched empire.

Hardline clerics across the region as well as representatives of U.S. opponents like Hamas and al-Qaida have described the plummeting stocks and frozen credit markets in the United States as a kind of retribution for American misdeeds.

We are witnessing the collapse of the American Empire," Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas prime minister in the Gaza Strip, told worshippers during Friday prayers. "What's going on in America is a result of the violation of the rights of people in Palestine, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims around the world."

Haniyeh's comments followed those made by other regional leaders who have long had an antagonistic relationship with the U.S. and appear to be enjoying the country's troubles.

However, the financial meltdown has not left the region unscathed, with stock markets across the Middle East dropping more than 10 percent in the past week.

In an interview on Tuesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad described America's problems as a matter of chickens coming home to roost after years of exporting inflation and deficits to the rest of the world.

"Now the world capacity is full and these problems have returned to the U.S.," he said, adding "and finally they are oppressors, and systems based on oppression and unrighteous positions will not endure."

Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, a high level Iranian cleric, was blunter when he addressed worshippers on Oct. 3, describing the situation as God's punishment.

"We are happy that the U.S. economy is in anarchy and the anarchy is reaching Europe," said Jannati. "They are seeing the result of their own ugly doings and God is punishing them."

The Iranian government has said the financial crisis is not hurting Iran's economy. But the turmoil has helped drive the price of oil down more than 40 percent since record highs in July. The Iranian government relies on oil revenue for 80 percent of its budget.

Al-Qaida, America's arch-nemesis in the region, was one of the first to express satisfaction over the financial crisis in a half hour video message earlier in the month.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 13, 2008 06:16 AM »

Salam folks

I would have thought that crisis was due to human greed and avarice. But thats just me Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 13, 2008 02:34 PM »

Salaam

Yes the economic crisis is due to many factors including simply greed but also mismanagement and the desire to live beyond one's means; okay maybe this is the simplistic viewpoint but sometimes it isn't necessary to go through the complex analysis to arrive at the same conclusion.  We know that if we don't manage our personal finances correctly we can certainly have a small scale economic crisis to deal with.

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 13, 2008 02:51 PM »

Asalamalaikum wrt wb,


In times of crisis, people should listen to the Ulema.  We have to look at the big picture.  This is how we will be guided.  Being arrogant, and attributing large-scale economic upheaval to peoples spending habits is not the solution.    Perhaps this is what politicians want us to think so they can usurp billions of dollars of taxpayer money to bailout Riba (Usury, Interest based) banks.  Anyways, why would a Muslim be spending more than they earn?  Riba is haram.


Shaikh Muhammad Hassan said:

The recent collapse of Riba based banks should be a lesson to all those who permit Riba in the name of Islam.  Making Riba Halal will not solve our problems, the solution is to follow the laws of Allah.  Allah promises:

"Allah will destroy Riba, and put profit in charity."

One of the proofs of the Quran is that what it promises comes true.  Here you see Allah's promise coming true.
I call on all scholars to spread this awareness amongst the people.  Allah will destroy Riba, and put blessings in charity.


End quote.


Recently, I read in Saheeh Bukhari, that the Prophet, may peace and the blessing of Allah be upon him, saw a dream in which a man was drowning in a river of blood.  Everytime he tried to swim up, a rock was thrown in his mouth that stuck him down.

The angels later informed him that this man was a person who usurped Riba.


Dr. Ratib an Nabulsi stated:  Money should be made from work, business, services, not from money itself.  Allah will destroy Riba, and give blessings in charity.


This is a call to all people, Muslim and non-Muslim, to abandon Riba and fear Allah.  Allah wages war on those who refuse to give up Riba.  If we do not give up Riba, and we do not do our job of calling non-Muslims to Islam and give up Riba and all evil things, we will all suffer in this increasingly interconnected world.




And Allah knows best.




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« Reply #4 on: Oct 18, 2008 06:21 PM »

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Shaykh Hamza on the financial crisis during the recent Eid khutba:


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« Reply #5 on: Oct 20, 2008 05:59 AM »

That's why Sh. Hamza's awesome.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 21, 2008 07:29 PM »

Salam

I didnt think anyone would take my tongue-in-cheek response seriously.

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 07, 2008 03:37 AM »

How can those in the Middle East who are selling the oil to the US, gloat over the US's so called greed
leading to the economic downfall? After all, the less we can afford, the less oil (gas, etc) we can buy the less
money those in the Middle East will make. And this isn't just happening with the US.
Many other countries are in a financial meltdown.
Greed is greed be it the US or the Middle East oil folks.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 07, 2008 11:50 AM »

peace be upon you

Is there a transcript of the Shaykh's khutab somewhere?

Those who rejoice are those who have suffered the injustices of the American Empire. The money from oil does not go to the common man in the Middle East. It goes to the select elite, and is returned to the West. A few years ago, Saudi deposits and investment in the US alone were more than 3.1 trillion dollars.

The problem is caused by greed inherent in capitalism, but is being manipulated to rearrange the world's finances to benefit a few. That should be of concern
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