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« on: Apr 02, 2009 07:35 PM »


I haven't seen the video yet, as our company's firewall stops streaming video.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6022878.ece

Video: radicals beat girl, 17, in Islamic stronghold of Swat, Pakistan

This grainy footage appears to show a 17-year-old girl being beaten by Islamic radicals in Pakistan’s northwestern region of Swat, where Sharia law was introduced after the government reached a truce with the Taleban in February.

A local Taleban commander in the militant stronghold of Matta, 25 miles from the regional capital, Mingora, ordered the girl to be flogged a week ago after accusing her of adultery, according to local reporters.

But some residents of Matta have accused the commander of ordering the beating to get revenge after the girl refused to accept his proposal of marriage, the reporters told The Times.

“Please! Enough! Enough!” the girl is heard crying in Pashtu, the language of the tribes who dominate northwestern Pakistan – now the main hub of Taleban and al-Qaeda activity.

At another point, she cries: “I am repenting, my father is repenting what I have done, my grandmother is repenting what I have done...”

The man flogging her is also heard abusing his colleague as he struggles to hold her down and stop her covering her backside with her hands.

“You should hold her tightly so she doesn’t move,” he is heard saying.

President Zardari of Pakistan insists that the truce was made with “moderates” in the region and his officials have even held it up as a model for other parts of Pakistan’s troubled northwest, which borders Afghanistan.

The deal was agreed with Sufi Mohammed, the leader of an outlawed Islamic movement who was recently released after six years in jail for leading thousands of his supporters to Afghanistan to fight American forces in 2001.

He is the father-in-law of Mullah Fazlullah, the 33-year-old cleric who leads the Pakistani Taleban in Swat and is known for propagating his strict interpretation of Islam through pirate FM radio broadcasts.

Pakistani officials argue that many residents of the Swat Valley, which only became part of Pakistan in 1969, have long demanded Sharia law because of the weakness of the secular state judicial system.

However, this footage appears to back up reports from many local residents that the men who have over-run Swat are no more moderate than the Taleban government that ruled Afghanistan until 2001.

It is also likely to reinforce fears that the militants are now using Swat, which is just 100 miles from the Pakistani capital, as a base to spread their ideology and launch terrorist attacks deeper within Pakistan.




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« Reply #1 on: Apr 03, 2009 02:49 AM »

These are 'religious' people?Huh?Huh?
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 03, 2009 04:16 AM »


   
Video of girl's flogging as Taliban hand out justice

Mobile phone movie shows that militant influence is spreading deeper into Pakistan


A video showing a teenage girl being flogged by Taliban fighters has emerged from the Swat Valley in Pakistan, offering a shocking glimpse of militant brutality in the once-peaceful district, and a sign of Taliban influence spreading deeper into the country.

The two-minute video, shot using a mobile phone, shows a burka-clad woman face down on the ground. Two men hold her arms and feet while a third, a black-turbaned fighter with a flowing beard, whips her repeatedly.

"Please stop it," she begs, alternately whimpering or screaming in pain with each blow to the backside. "Either kill me or stop it now."

A crowd of men stands by, watching silently. Off camera a voice issues instructions. "Hold her legs tightly," he says as she squirms and yelps.

After 34 lashes the punishment stops and the wailing woman is led into a stone building, trailed by a Kalashnikov-carrying militant.

Reached by phone, Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan claimed responsibility for the flogging. "She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross," he said. He defended the Taliban's right to thrash women shoppers who were inappropriately dressed, saying it was permitted under Islamic law.

The Guardian received the video through Samar Minallah, a Pashtun documentary maker and anthropologist who lived in Swat for two years in the late 1990s. It has been passed between Swat residents by mobile phones.

Ms Minallah said the punishment had been inflicted within the last 10 days, following the signing of a controversial peace deal under which the provincial government ceded control of the valley's judicial system to the militants.

"This video is being widely circulated because the Taliban want people to see it. They want to give the message that this is taking place after the peace deal because this is something they ideologically believe in," she said.

Local sources including journalists and human rights workers, some of whom declined to be identified, confirmed the video was recent, although estimates of its timing varied between one and three weeks ago. The Taliban spokesman said it predated the peace deal.

Sher Muhammad Khan, an official in Swat with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said: "They have committed so many atrocities since the peace deal. They have taken entire control of the district. There is nobody to control them; they decide disputes according to their whims."

Since the 15 February deal, a hybrid of traditional and Islamic law has been operational in Mingora, the largest city in Swat district. The qazi courts, as they are known, are not operated by the Taliban but by a related political movement. They have a murky legal status because the changes have yet to be signed into law.

Floggings and other physical punishments have not been imposed in Mingora, where some residents have praised the system's efficiency. However, in outlying districts, where government writ has been entirely crushed, a crude form of gun justice prevails.

The woman in the video, named as Chaand and believed to be aged 17, was punished in Matta, a district further up the Swat Valley.

Minallah and other sources said the girl was punished on suspicion of having had an illicit relationship with a married man. She did not receive a trial. "The whole case is based on the suspicions of one neighbour," said Minallah.

The woman's brother is among the men pinning her down, she added. "It's symbolic that he does it with his own hands. It gives him honour in local society, that he has done it for the sake of religion."

The Swat Valley is controlled by Maulana Fazlullah, a charismatic preacher who initially gained popularity through radio broadcasts, then seized control through gun battles, suicide attacks and intimidation of the local population.

Since the peace deal, women have been beaten for shopping unaccompanied in Mingora's main market and dozens of girls' schools remain closed, many of them bombed.

Fazlullah has sworn loyalty to Baitullah Mehsud, the overall Taliban leader from South Waziristan who claimed responsibility for last Monday's eight-hour assault on a police centre in Lahore and has vowed to mount attacks in Washington.

On Wednesday a presumed American drone fired rockets at a compound controlled by his network, killing at least 14 people.

The effective surrender of government authority in Swat has caused great alarm across Pakistan and among western allies.Minallah said she feared Talibanisation would spread across Pakistan. "I have distributed this video because I feel people are in denial. They don't want to believe what is happening."
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 06, 2009 07:15 PM »


Swat girl denies flogging by Taliban

Monday April 06, 2009 (0709 PST)


PESHAWAR: Chand Bibi, the young girl who was shown being flogged by the Swat Taliban in a videotape aired on television channels, gave a statement to a Qazi, or judge, on Sunday, denying the incident.

Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the NWFP information minister, told our sources that she made the statement to Mohammad Riaz, the judge of the Qazi Court for Matta Tehsil, and the commissioner of Malakand division, Syed Mohammad Javed, both of whom visited her village, Kala Killay, in Kabal Swat district on Sunday.

Quoting the commissioner, Mian Iftikhar said the girl, Chand Bibi, made it clear that she was indeed married to Adalat Khan and everyone in the village knew about it. She refuted the reports that both of them were flogged by the Taliban as punishment for maintaining illicit relations and then forcibly married.

According to the information minister, the commissioner and the judge had visited Kala Killay to record the statements of the couple on the directive of the chief secretary of the NWFP. The chief secretary and Inspector General of Police, NWFP, had been directed by Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, to appear before his court and also produce the girl who was flogged. The chief justice had taken suo moto notice of the case after the two-minute videotape was repeatedly shown on TV channels.

The incident caused outrage in Pakistan and provoked members of the civil society and others to stage protests in many cities of the country. The flogging of the girl, stated to be 17-years old, was condemned by most political parties, human rights organisations and even religious scholars.

Mian Iftikhar disclosed that Chand Bibi had expressed her inability to appear before the Supreme Court as she and her family felt it wasn’t appropriate for a purdah-observing Pakhtun girl to do so in the presence of TV cameras and onlookers. “She requested the judge and the commissioner to spare her from appearing in the court in Islamabad,” he said.

However, her husband, Adalat Khan, was ready to appear in the Supreme Court. Mian Iftikhar said the judge, Mohammad Riaz, also recorded the statement of Adalat Khan and he also denied the reports that he or his wife, Chand Bibi, had been lashed by the Taliban. “Adalat Khan wondered as to why nobody in their village knew about this incident. He insisted that no such incident had taken place in Kala Killay,” the minister said.

Iftikhar lamented that a fake video had been used to tarnish the reputation of the people of Swat and disrupt the peace process in the district. “We condemn the acts of repression against women. We too are outraged when extremist elements commit atrocities against women and also men. But the incident depicted in the videotape never took place in Swat,” he argued.

He felt the timing of the release of the videotape was intriguing. “It appears to be part of a conspiracy to foil the peace agreement in Swat and put pressure on President Zardari not to sign the Nizam-i-Adl Regulation for Malakand division,” he said.

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 08, 2009 12:33 AM »

peace be upon you

This is not shariah. The spokesman for the so-called taliban has admitted that at the time there were no proper qazis, no private place to carry out the punishment etc.

Also the "crime" is not a crime in shariah. A father-in-law is mehram, but the girl was punished for going out with her father in law. They are enforcing their own unlearned cultural prejudices as shariah.

There is plenty that is wrong with this incident. And the only way is to appoint qazis well versed in the sources of shariah: Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).
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http://pakobserver.net/200904/07/Articles01.asp

Disgusting girl flogging in Swat

Dr Samiullah Koreshi

Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis has reacted strongly in condemning the incident said to have taken place in Swat. In joining this expression of disgust over the incident, I would like to make some observations on the incident. The Commissioner of Swat has cast doubts that this incident took place in Swat. Wherever it took place it was condemnable. True the releasing of the video so late after the incident is not without significance, and even if some foreign interests have coincided with the publicity of this incident, that should be counted secondary, the main point is that if this did take place, and the Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry have done the commendable thing to take suo motu notice of the incident, the incident is a slur on Pakistan’s majority , on which there should be no two opinions at all.

While the ignorant in the West have a foolish view of what Pakistan is, an insulting propaganda against Pakistan, because they do not know the levels of evolution in Pakistan in some areas and the majority, that there is a dichotomy. We are no less civilized, if not more, than the most civilized Western societies. But in some part of Pakistan there is an obscurantist view of values which is a minority. This is why one sees a crowd of male on-lookers watching the flogging. May be they were terrorized by the Gun-trotting Taliban and at least quite a few watched the gory incident with disgust. In the area from which my family came, that region which was counted as the last word of sophistication no crowd, Hindu or Muslim, would have watched an incident of woman flogging or even beating . They would have intervened to say “ If you are a man go and fight with a man . Are you not ashamed and the crowd would have rescued the woman. They would have rushed to rescue the girl, abusing the men indulging in that Sadistic exercise, although I should recall , as recorded in my book “ Diplomats & Diplomacy: Story of an Era” that I witnessed one afternoon in Place de Cliché Paris a man beating a woman and the woman running in a circle made by onlookers saying nothing . This was long ago when I had been sent to Paris to learn French., but we are talking of cultural level among various circles in any society in which many decades are a twinkle of eye.

However, this incident has done great damage to the image of Islam globally. These days when there is a clash of civilizations- a fact denying which is to deny reality- between Islam and the West, and the clash is very intense, this one incident would have given Islam the image its enemy want to give it. One look is better than hundred reports as they say. Hundred seminars cannot wash this spot from our fore-headed. What a great disservice the Taliban have done by flogging the woman accused of what ever it was. How do they want to defend their action. First for a na mahram man to touch a woman is haram in Islam. Here there were two holding her down for receiving the lashes. This is absolutely haram (forbidden) in Islam ; secondly where was the man who was supposed to have done the “crime”. Why was he not given double the punishment for ignoring the hudood of a mahram and the alleged act? . Third thing is why the modesty of a woman flouted by public flogging? A woman is entitled to sanctity of her modesty in Islam in all cases.

There are other points : Are persons not qazi take the implementation of law in their hands. Law is a very complicated thing. No layman can decide what is the law? Only a Qazi or Islamic Judge can do so. To know in a general sense what is the law is not to be expert to apply it in a particular incident. I read in History of Tibri- that classic in Arabic of the earliest Muslim history that a very honorable man and a woman friend of his were together alone in a room for long time and they were accused of Zina. The Qazi declined to accept the charge on the ground that there were no witnesses to the alleged act.

These are technical flaws in the case of flogging of a girl where ever it took place , in Swat or else where, and whether in January this year or now, the objection remains that the punishment cannot be given by any person except a judge or a Qazi. Otherwise the law become a law of jungle or something like the judgments in the Days of Terror in French Revolution. Law is not law without certain requirements. This is the line between the Civilized Law and the Law of Jungle. This incident underlines the necessity of implementing the laws-whatever they be- only through the trained judges.

Only properly qualified Judges can be appointed Qazi and not any bearded person who has gone to a madressah.. This incident would work against the Federal Government accepting the demand for implementation of Sharia in the Tribal areas, for it seems to violate the accepted norms in the modern age world , even in the Muslim world. The points this incident has raised are which Sharia laws , and implemented through whom, a trained judge or any bearded Taliban , two is there need to look up its practice in Malaysia and (Northern) Nigeria also or not? . Iqbal has spoken of ijetehad in sharia in his Six Lectures delivered in 1930.

In my book “Western Fundamentalism in Action” published in 1995, on “ Ijma” is stated:” Mohammed Abduh holds that the jurisprudential views of the earlier fuqaha( jurists) are time bound and are thus not applicable to Muslim community for eternity. Because otherwise it would mean that the earlier fuqaha had more knowledge and brains than the latter day generations. Also it would mean the soci0-eceonomic conditions have remained statis, which is not true” … Dr Anis Ahemd is quoted in that page as saying : For Islam does not view life as a stagnant stream cesspool , but a tream which in its flow can come across new places . “ The debate is touched at p 181, Applying Sharia is not such a simple matter as ordinary student of a madressah thinks.

If the obscurantist approach is adopted and ijtehad and ijma are ignored we will not have a modern society in Muslim countries but an outdated middle ages one. In any case, the implementation of the law should be done only by the trined civil judges, and not by laymen of generalist knowledge about sharia. Otherwise the concession the Government had granted to Swat will end here. Iqbal, Abdouh, Rida etc are the modernists who cannot be relegated to the dark corner of libraries. Lest in this debate the point has gone in the background, it should be reiterated that the Swat flogging of a girl was most condemnable and should not be repeated. Middle Ages were over long ago.

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 08, 2009 07:10 PM »

assalamualaikum

i don't understand the uproar,  the outrage, and the shock of people. 

what did people think was going to happen?   i think we all know what the taliban, or jammat islami, or so many of the other POLITICAL islamic groups would do if they came to power.

as muslims we love, we really love, reallly, realllllllllly love islam.  but most of us simply do not trust the political proponents of islam simply because they seem like they are from a different planet, and if given power -- well none of us would want to live under their oppression....

allahu alam, and i pray allah forgives me if i have made a mistake....
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