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« Reply #25 on: Apr 06, 2009 04:32 PM »

Inna lillahi wa inna ilehi rajeoon,

Sister Kathy, please let me know if you need anything. We are proud of you for your strength in this darkest time.Our prayers are with you and the families affected by this tragedy.


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« Reply #26 on: Apr 06, 2009 05:50 PM »

As salaamu alaykum

Subhannah Allah the sisters have been buried and the angels have questioned them. Insha Allah their graves are spacious and their wait for the day of judgement will be over as fast as a seemingly a night of sleep.

When I was at the masjid cutting up the cloth and measuring the sidr ( Jazak Allahu Khyr Halima!) I found out our bro's were going to pray janaazah in the parking lot!!! Their point was they wanted the community to see that the Muslims were affected also. I was so concerned. Our parking lot is dirty, gray. cracked... i can't imagine what the Americans will think. They have their funeral prayers in beautiful funeral homes or gorgeous churches. I can just hear the comments about those 'barbaric' Muslims- "They have a mosque and they are praying for her in a parking lot? OMG, harry, the dead girl is in that body bag- on a gurney. Where is the coffin?" and maybe... "I bet it is because she is a woman- would they do that for a man?" When the news filmed it, they news reporter stumbled a bit to explain and said "they pray in the parking lot to bring the person closer to nature."

I did not have to wash them which was a Mercy from my Lord and a trial. MY community is so screwed up.  After i had my team all set up to wash. This one sis was unhappy because another sis was doing it instead of her. Another sis said so and so got to to it last time- she want's to do it this time. One sis said it was a political in how the pakis chooses the sisters. She told me i had no idea about the politics (Yeah!) One sis wanted to do it even tho she never was trained. (Each wash I bring in one new sis- I already had a new sis ). Phone call after phone call...

The first four sisters who called me and asked to help- I accepted. One was a newbie daughter of one of the moms who offered and i was very clear to her how gruesome it will be. She felt she could handle it. Then the Imam called late at night and was extremely upset that i took a 24 year old sis over an elder sis. He was extremely angry, He said the women are saying i have my favorites and need to let others help.  Huh?- I am American I don't know any of these paki social laws. I explain this- and then tell him that sis did call and b*tch to me. (It was strong enough for me to use the b word). I told him I offered her a position and I knew one of the sis's will step aside. But this is not fair for me to be teaching 2 new people when i am supposed to be washing. But I offered it to her any way...and then she turned me down!!!!!!!!!! We offered these janaazah courses and they did not come.  He was so angry and unusually tough with me- it was so hurting. It was as if he did not even care or want to hear on how i made my choices....which I never did... they came to me! Then i got a call @ midnight that one of the matriarch's daughters felt she had the right to wash over all of them. OMG....

At that point my husband called the Imam and said he was refusing to allow me to wash. The politics, the politics, the politics. I was sooooo depressed I could not get out of bed all day yesterday.

So needless to say, I did not do these washings and haven't spoken to anyone. Janaazah washings should be peaceful, loving and a caring last thing we can do for our sisters. Even this was ruined by masjid/ pakistani politics....
And as usual the white american revert is the one who gets beat up. May Allah swt reward those sisters who did wash and help them over come the flashbacks we all get in the coming weeks.

Thank you for all your duas. Looks like our community needs it too. May Allah swt not harden my heart...and leave me wanting to be a lone sheep.

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« Reply #27 on: Apr 06, 2009 06:11 PM »

salaam alaikum,

srKathy that is SO WACK. mannnn cultural muslims are the worst absolute worst  Angry Angry i can't understand how anyone would *want* to do a washing for political/looking good in front of everyone. here when someone dies we can never find anyone to do the washing! no one wants to do it and of course no one knows how. i think some poor doctor lady is forced to do it.

the gurney thing was a little weird, but no one noticed the parking lot, i thought it was just outside the mosque on the lawn, and the pictures show rows of people and the victims families and that was important especially as it was the first of the funerals and subhanAllah it always comes to me how much wisdom there is in not having any bowing in the funeral prayer because everyone would think we are worshiping the dead!

did you get a chance to use your brochures? could have been a good time to give them out to the media!! please post it in the toolbox here, i'm sure when stuff happens in communities it could be useful for everyone.

i think your imam was under a lot of pressure doing interviews left and right and having to deal with all these things and the families, something like this is truly devastating to a community and the imam feels responsible for everyone/thing so i'd forgive him a little if he was being harsh.

in the future i'd advocate for a system on who is to do the washing like a chart or something.
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 06, 2009 06:39 PM »

salam


I've only just seen this.

Innallillah wa inna elayhai rajeoon.


Sr. Kathy, I am so sorry you got caught in the mad politics that appear to be going on at your masjid.

Maybe it's because death is such an emotional time, and brings out the ugly side as well as the compassionate.

For what it's worth, here, there is one family who we know have lots of women trained and willing to wash the deceased. When we last had a death in the family we called them (they are also related to us), and they turn up with reinforcements and ensure everything gets done.
For any newbies the women just ask, usually we have at least one newbie, my sister went to wash my aunty, and my cousin washed my grandma. Relatives of the deceased are given precedence if they want to help with the last rites.

I hope the sisters were given the proper preparation. Sometimes it's best to put our own worldly desires aside and allow for the experts to do what they know how. I'd have asked if I could be present in the next washing. It's hardly a day out at the park one is missing out on.

I hate arguments at funerals, it's just so unseemly!


Sr Kathy, don't take it to heart, I'm sure the Imam was getting it in the neck on all sides, however I think he owes you an apology (but I wouldn't hold my breath).


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« Reply #29 on: Apr 06, 2009 07:12 PM »

salaam

Thats really sad to hear sister Kathy. May Allah swt guide them. Death should be a reminder to us, we should become humble.
I can understand about the imam getting stressed but I can never understand them not aknoweldging their wrong and appologising.  I hope he does.  you are trying to help. May Allah swt reward you.  They say the pious get tested more..
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« Reply #30 on: Apr 06, 2009 07:32 PM »

salam

Sr. Kathy, well, this what happens when people get emotional.  Try not to take it personally.  I am sure your community appreciates all your efforts.

I have been thinking for a while, especially after my mother's death, that if I don't have any daughters and my husband is alive when I die, I would like him to do the washing.   I don't want any strange people looking at my dead body.  I could not do the washing for my mom, I just stood there and was not emotionally strong to do it.   

I should write this in my will.   I don't have one yet.   

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« Reply #31 on: Apr 06, 2009 08:57 PM »

Sr. Kathy, I have been wanting to post a message but was unsure what to say.
All I can say is I am so sorry you and those families are having to deal with this.
You and the families are in my thoughts and prayers.
And I thought it was so protective and loving your husband took the reins
and called and took over the matter for you.

Sister, I'm not good at things like this, proper words to say, etc.
Just know I care and I'm praying for you and the families of those sisters.
Don't lose sight that all you do, the washings, the library and the help you provide
new Muslims, clothing for the sisters, etc, you are doing to for Allah's pleasure not the humans
you're around. I have always though you to be an awesome lady and wonderful sister.
May Allah comfort you and the families of the 2 sisters who died.

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« Reply #32 on: Apr 06, 2009 09:26 PM »

salaam

I also agree that mashAllah it was very loving thing for your husband to stick with you and tell the Imam that you are going to do it.
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« Reply #33 on: Apr 06, 2009 09:39 PM »

 madinaflag madinaflag Hooray! For Sr. Kathy's Husband ! Hooray!  madinaflag madinaflag
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« Reply #34 on: Apr 06, 2009 09:40 PM »

As salamu alaykum Kathy,

Al hamdu lillah, your husband stepped in and removed you from the mess.  It can be very tough when you are a convert, because you don't fit in anywhere.  Allah (swt) knows your intentions and your value to the community.  Try and stay strong and know that although we are far away, you are in our thoughts and prayers.

Um Aboodi: you need to check and see if your husband can wash you.  I think that a sister needs to do it, but what do I know?

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« Reply #35 on: Apr 06, 2009 10:56 PM »

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Can ones husband not do it?

I never knew.

I do know that when being lowered into the grave it's ones close mahrams that do that, my dad lowered my grandma in hers.


When the deceased is washed, he/she is always kept completely covered as far as I have been told.

But I would prefer my daughters to wash me if it came to it.




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« Reply #36 on: Apr 07, 2009 01:13 AM »

As-salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,
May Allah have mercy on the deceased and their family/friends. Makes me wonder if we're living in a time when people who were killed will wonder why they were killed (one of the signs of the end of times).

I've only ever helped with one ghusl for a local sister, but the experience stays with you for a long time. It ended up being that the daughter of the deceased wanted to do the washing, but kind of lost her nerve. My mother was asked to help wash (along with a few other sisters) and made me go along so I'd learn how to. My mother is like that.

From my limited understanding, however, it is the right of the family of the deceased to choose who washes (with consideration to the restrictions). I'm not sure how much of it is even within the Imam's hands. Allahu A'lim.

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« Reply #37 on: Apr 07, 2009 03:04 AM »

ISLAMIC ORGANIZATION OF THE SOUTHERN TIER
161 GRAND AVENUE, JOHNSON CITY, NY 13790

April 5, 2009

We wish to thank the Triple Cities community for the outpouring of support following the tragic incident at the American Civic Association.  Yesterday, we completed the burial of two of the victims – Ms. Leyla Khalil and Ms. Parveen Ali – which, we are hoping, will start the healing process for their families as well as the broader community.

The Islamic Organization has set up a Fund for the families of the 13 victims.  Contributions can be mailed to the address above.  Please indicate “Victim’s Families Fund” on the check.  Please also include a mailing address so a receipt can be mailed.  All contributions will be tax deductible.
 
For further information, please contact the following:

Islamic Organization:      729-7265
Kasim Kopuz (Imam):      768-2290
Ehtisham Siddiqui (President):   759-2699


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« Reply #38 on: Apr 07, 2009 05:11 AM »

New York Times article:

Binghamton Victims Shared a Dream of Living Better Lives


BINGHAMTON, N.Y. — One was a woman who survived three bombings in her native Iraq. Another was a never-say-retired grandmother of 17 who volunteered at her synagogue. One was a homemaker from the Philippines, a lifelong seamstress who carried an oval medallion in her pocket that her father had given her to protect her from harm.

After first hearing that his wife, Dolores, had escaped the shootings on Friday, Omri Yigal, later learned that she had not. More Photos »

Two days after one of New York State’s deadliest mass shootings, residents of Binghamton and the nearby towns and villages gathered for memorial services to grieve 13 slain men and women, as the city released the identities of all the victims.

On Friday morning, a 41-year-old Vietnamese immigrant, Jiverly Wong, armed with two handguns, burst into the American Civic Association, an immigration services center where he had until recently been taking classes to improve his English. Mr. Wong shot and killed 13 immigrant students and association workers, wounded four others and then committed suicide.

The dead were from all points of the globe: Two were from the United States, four were from China, two — husband and wife — were from Haiti, one was from Vietnam, one from Iraq, one from Brazil, one from the Philippines and one from Pakistan. On Sunday afternoon, two of the victims — Layla Khalil, 57, and Parveen Ali, 26 — were buried following a funeral at the Islamic Organization of the Southern Tier that drew around 300 mourners. Later, people packed a middle school for an interfaith memorial service.

The police released new details about Mr. Wong, but were still trying to understand his motive.

Joseph Zikuski, Binghamton’s chief of police, said that Mr. Wong came to the Binghamton area in the late 1980s but went back and forth between New York and California. In 1992, Mr. Wong was convicted of a misdemeanor for forgery. He became a naturalized citizen in November 1995 and the next year received a license to own a handgun in Broome County. He also received a handgun license in California, Chief Zikuski said.

Mr. Wong married and divorced in California, but the police had yet to locate his ex-wife.

Elisabeth Hayes, 62, Mr. Wong’s English as a second language teacher at the association, said Mr. Wong had enrolled in her class at the end of January and attended off and on until dropping out in early March. She estimated that he came to class 10 to 15 times. “He came sporadically; he didn’t come regularly,” she said. “Then he just stopped coming.”

Ms. Hayes said she did not know why, adding that though he was never teased in class, he did not say much. “He wasn’t there long enough to establish a relationship with him,” she said. “Nothing I detected would make me think he would do this.”

Ms. Hayes was on vacation on Friday, and her class was being taught by a substitute teacher, Roberta King.

After shooting two receptionists, Mr. Wong walked into his old classroom and opened fire. He either killed or wounded everyone in the room, including Ms. King, before committing suicide inside the room, the police said.

Ms. Hayes described Mr. Wong as “fragile” and “introspective.” She says that she corrects every student’s English; some appreciate it and some do not. Mr. Wong was among those who did not.

Two miles from the scene of the shooting, the bodies of the two Muslim women lay on stretchers inside burgundy body bags outside a mosque in Johnson City. Mourners stood in rows as Imam Kasim Kopuz led the prayers.

Mrs. Khalil, the native of Iraq, was a librarian and the mother of three children: a daughter who had recently completed a master’s degree at Binghamton University; a son who was studying at the Sorbonne in Paris; and another son, Mustafa Alsalihi, a student at Binghamton High School.

“She was to come to my graduation this year,” said Mustafa, 17. “She said, ‘I want to see you graduate in America.’ ”

Mrs. Khalil’s husband, Samir Alsalihi, 63, a visiting professor at Binghamton University, said his wife of 31 years had a passion for learning and had enrolled in the class to improve her English and socialize with people from other cultures. “I miss her,” he said.

Mrs. Khalil had immigrated from Jordan seven months ago after fleeing the violence in Iraq, said Ehtisham Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Organization of the Southern Tier. “That’s one of the ironies of the situation,” Mr. Siddiqui said. “Her husband was just telling me how they were so happy to be in such a peaceful place at last.”

Ms. Ali came to the United States from northern Pakistan seven years ago. Her brother, Nadar Ali, 24, said his sister hoped to become a teacher. “She was like a parent, like a friend,” Mr. Ali said. “She coached me to go to school, be successful, go to college, be someone.”

He and his sister were planning to visit Niagara Falls on Saturday. “Just to see it,” he said.

Far from the services, the day of grieving unfolded in more private, somber ways for relatives of the dead.

Omri Yigal, 53, the husband of Dolores Yigal, also 53, the homemaker from the Philippines, was preparing to leave the house on St. John Avenue that they had shared. He said he was going to the hospital where his wife’s body lay to wash her. He put her wedding dress and her favorite shampoo in bags.

It had been almost three years since they were married. Mr. Yigal, a native of Alabama, met her in 2006 on a matchmaking Web site where she had posted an ad looking for someone who was “kind, faithful, loyal, friendly, American, Canadian, Japanese.”

“Anything so long as it had a pulse,” Mr. Yigal said the couple joked later.

They met for the first time in Manila in September 2006. A week later, they were married.

In Binghamton, they led a quiet life. She stayed home for most of the day, washing clothes by hand, ironing Mr. Yigal’s T-shirts and boxer shorts. She enrolled, reluctantly, at the association for English classes, the first step to finding work, maybe as a baby sitter or a classroom aide, he said.

On most days, she got up as early as 5 a.m. for her 9 a.m. class. She made enough oatmeal — sprinkled with apple bits and raisins — for both of them. Before she left for class, she usually wandered up to the bedroom to give her husband a kiss. On Friday, for some reason, she did not.

Mr. Yigal learned of the shooting when he overheard people on the street talking about the attack. He ran through the rain to a waiting area for families, and a man said he had seen Ms. Yigal leave the building alive. Mr. Yigal cheered and jumped into the air.

When she did not appear, he began to worry. On Saturday evening, the police came to his door to tell him that his wife had been identified as one of the victims. On Sunday morning, Mr. Yigal ate the couple’s special oatmeal, and wondered if he would find the medallion her father gave her in her clothes at the hospital. “I lost everything,” Mr. Yigal said. “She is my friend, my lover, my partner and my wife.”

The two victims identified as being from the United States worked at the association — Ms. King, 72, the grandmother of 17, and Maria K. Zobniw, 60. The other victims were all students: the Haitian couple, Marc Henry Bernard, 44, and Maria Sonia Bernard, 46; Li Guo, 47, from China; Hong Xiu Mao, 35, from China; Lan Ho, 39, from Vietnam; Hai Hong Zhong, 54, from China; Almir O. Alves, 43, from Brazil; and Jiang Ling, 22, from China.

Ms. Zobniw was not supposed to be at the association on Friday. The daughter of Ukrainian parents, Ms. Zobniw planned to spend the day baking pastries for Easter. But when she got a call seeking translation help, she got in a car.

Ms. Zobniw, who had four children, worked at the association five years, correcting homework for Ukrainian immigrants and translating birth certificates. “She never said ‘I can’t,’ ” said Iryna Tkhoryk, a friend.

Mr. Alves was a math expert, said Ms. Hayes, his teacher at the association. She said that a survivor told her that Mr. Alves threw a chair at Mr. Wong during the attack, trying to stop him. “He is an unsung hero,” she said.

The Bernards had a son in middle school and a girl in elementary school, according to neighbors at their apartment in Endicott.

Mr. Bernard walked them to the bus stop every morning and was waiting there when they got home. In between he took English classes at the civic association, returning home with notebooks scribbled with lessons, said Leroy Jackson, the building manager. Mr. Bernard had been laid off from a manufacturing job about four months earlier. His wife worked at a McDonald’s a few blocks away.

Still, perhaps because of the language barrier, neighbors knew little about them. “I don’t know what they hoped to do,” Mr. Jackson said, “but I know these were the kind of people you want in this country.”
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 07, 2009 07:19 AM »

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“A believer who mixes with people and tolerates their abuse is better than one who neither mixes with people nor tolerates their abuse.”Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab, Al-Mufrad and At-Tirmidhi

 Shocked That hadith made me jump back on the horse! Jazak Allahou Khayra... Ok I sulked for a couple of days. Sulk is night the right word. I am not a sulker- so I think it all really got to me. Really got to me. Not sure what parts... the deaths, the half hour of wondering if it was my son's school, the community or the attitudes I did not expect, especially when all i was trying to do was make things easy for others. So I stayed in bed for an entire day- actually had to- i think I slept all but a few hours. Looking back, that is very unusual for me. i don't think I ever did that- not even when i got divorced~

Dr. Phil says we determine how we react to situations. Usually I agree- but this time i seemingly couldn't stop the body's reactions like stress related chest tightness, twitching and a pounding head like when you have a sinus infection or have cried for hours.  Subhanna Allah it was a Mercy from Allah to pull me out. Bothers me though, I consider myself a pretty strong person.... OMG... how do the people of Palestine and other areas of war handle it?

Alhumdullillah- all of your words of encouragement were greatly needed and appreciated. Jazak Allahu Khyra. This is one example how a cyber family of Muslims is very beneficial. There was no way i could or would turn to my community for comfort. Advice in terms of hadith and ayats, advice in heartfelt words in which I could re read them had a great impact.

Yes, jannah, we used the funeral brochure. I will post it if I can figure it out- if not i will send it to you by email.

As far as a wife washing her husband- we allow it here. However, I did hear an opinion that marriage ends with death so the spouse is no longer mahram to the other.

Yes, sophia, the family has all the rights to choose who washes their loved one. Our Imam had to step in because all of the sisters who wanted to wash had no ties or connection to the family. It's really weird- like in jannah's community i am making a lot of calls to get sisters to help in past washes. Most families, in the past, do not want to do it. Last month a very rich doctor's sister died and three million sisters demanded to wash. They were talking about taking shifts, crowding around the washing table, and demanding to be one of the washers. It was so bizzare. Same women who turned me down over all the others. Same ones who refused to come to the classes to learn. It was kind of like when the Ayatolla died. Muslims were trying to grab a piece of his cloth as they carried him down the street.  So the Imam got involved because it was so out of control. Someone had to make a decision and my method wasn't good enough for them.

On top of it all I remember when the sis who died first moved here and the family was abandoned by the father. I beseeched the community for help- monetary, food, etc...  most didn't help... gave excuses that are too painful to write....but now- in a high profile death they want to wash her...pleasse!!

I have to tell you i was shocked and pleased that our exec committee sent out the press release accepting donations. It was just last year I got crucified by them for taking up a collection for our Imam's flight and expenses when his dad died. Smile.... sometimes i look back and am glad i am a whipping post- especially if good comes from it.

The Imam did call me yesterday and we talked. I think he was apologizing- while he did not use those words, and not that i deserved or needed one- just the fact that he was concerned and wanted to clear the air was all i needed. So here i am, back on the horse and writing this from the library.

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« Reply #41 on: Apr 07, 2009 06:48 PM »

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It's the ones who have the guts to stand up for what is right who get the public floggings.

But, any wrong that is done you in the here and now, will have washed away your sins for the hereafter inshallah.

Small comfort in the here and now perhaps, but my mum always said to me when I was little, if you behave with dignity in the face of injustice in this world, you'll have a good start in the hereafter inshallah (mum says it much better in Urdu).

I just wish we had such a proactive big sister in our community, I would go to these classes, its an essential part of being Muslim is it not, knowing how to wash the deceased.

Chin up, and remember there are brothers and sisters all over the world rooting for you, and making dua for you and yours inshallah.

Btw, very impressed that an imam would acknowledge the need for conciliation even in a roundabout not exactly apology kind of way. Most eastern men do not do apologies. Because they're never wrong obviously Tongue



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« Reply #42 on: Apr 07, 2009 08:07 PM »

peace be upon you

The husband can wash the body of his deceased wife, and the wife can do the same for her deceased husband.

This is derived from a Hadith related by Ayesha (ra). The meanings of this Hadith are that Ayesha (ra) had a splitting headache and was crying, when the Prophet (saw) came and asked her what is the matter, and then, to take off her mind from the pain told her that no, my head and my pain (acting as if he too had an unbearable pain. Then he told her that if she expired in her pain, he would wash her body. After the burial of the Prophet (saw), Ayesha (ra) remembered this episode and said that had she remembered it in time, she aand other ummahatul mumineen would have washed the body of the Prophet (saw).
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« Reply #43 on: Apr 08, 2009 07:33 AM »

I just remembered the other part of these hadiths... that people will be killed and when asked they will not know for what reason they were killed and then the people who did the killing will be asked why and they will not know for what reason they killed. I just read the letter he sent to the news... chilling  Sad




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« Reply #44 on: Apr 08, 2009 10:22 AM »

peace be upon you

There are so many things going wrong in the world, that I wonder if drawing attention to something here would be taken in the wrong way, but perhaps someone will take heed, so here goes.

If you look at the pictures here, you will notice lit candles being carried by Muslims at vigils and funerals. Perhaps these Muslims are not aware of the prohibition by the Prophet (saw) of taking or lighting a fire at a funeral (and graves, I think). Fire is what we seek refuge from, so may I request Muslims to keep away from this practice, and to gently dissuade other Muslims from doing so. This cande-lighting on such occasions takes us away from the path of the Prophet, the true path, and takes us along the path of the non-Muslims, which is the path to Hell. Whoever imitates a group will be judged as one of them, as the meaning of a Hadith goes.
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« Reply #45 on: Apr 08, 2009 05:37 PM »

salaam,

This was all too sad for me. Sr. Kathy, I wish you nothing but the best...you have a kind, good heart..dont you worry about anything. Allah swt has your back. Smiley The center where this happend is on Front Street right? Dag, I remember that area all too well from my days at SUNY Bing....Although it was reassuring to read in the papers that Imam Kasim was still around. I really really liked that guy.

Anyway, my two cents. I have nothing to add other than my thoughts and prayers.

Much love always..
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« Reply #46 on: Apr 08, 2009 10:08 PM »


As far as a wife washing her husband- we allow it here. However, I did hear an opinion that marriage ends with death so the spouse is no longer mahram to the other.

I heard the same too. The spouse is no longer mahram to the other hence can not participate in the wash.

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« Reply #47 on: Apr 08, 2009 10:46 PM »

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In regards to  washing body of deceased by a spouse, I know that Asma'a binف 'omais (wife of Abu-Bakr radiya Allahu anhu) washed  him when he died. 



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« Reply #48 on: Apr 16, 2009 02:50 PM »

This story is making the rounds on Toronto Talk Radio....

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http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20090414/NEWS01/904140382/1116

DSS worker seeks pay for lunch hour lost to lockdown after shootings

Building located near ACA


By Nancy Dooling
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BINGHAMTON - A Broome County employee confined by bosses to the Department of Social Services' building during the April 3 massacre at the nearby American Civic Association wants to be paid for his lunch hour.

The employee made a formal complaint last week to Broome's Personnel Department, confirmed Michael Klein, the director.

James Kauchis, a DSS accounting clerk, confirmed he made the complaint, but denied further comment.

"That's a matter between me, the administration and the union," Kauchis said.

No formal grievance has been filed through Kauchis' union, Klein said.

Broome County Executive Barbara J. Fiala said she was both disappointed and embarrassed that such a complaint was made.

"A lot of people lost a lot more that day than just one hour," Fiala said, adding she would fight a formal grievance, if it's filed.

"This is the kind of thing that makes government workers look bad," Klein said. "Ninety-nine point nine percent of county employees stepped up to the plate."

No other Broome employee, including Broome sheriff's deputies who responded to the American Civic Association and the 911 emergency dispatchers, complained to Klein, the director said.

Klein said he denied the employee's complaint last week on the grounds that making DSS employees stay in their building during the shooting did not violate state labor laws or their union contract.

Bosses at DSS had pizza and beverages brought in during the four hours employees were confined to the building, from about 10:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., said DSS Commissioner Arthur Johnson.

"We were working with Binghamton police to keep our employees safe and out of the way of an active police investigation," Johnson said.

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« Reply #49 on: Apr 16, 2009 03:36 PM »

It is a shame! How can someone complain about loosing one hour of his lunch time when its was done for his safety and especially when other people lost their lives!

The Almighty Allah says,

"When a servant thinks of Me, I am near.
When he invokes Me, I am with him.
If he reflects on Me in secret, I reply in secret,
And if he acknowledges Me in an assembly,
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- Prophet Muhammad (SAW), as reptd by Abu Huraira
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