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« on: Aug 03, 2009 10:47 AM »


Under the veil, nip and tuck makes new Saudi faces



A young woman has her face treated with lightening creams by a doctor at a clinic in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Wednesday, July 8, 2009. Such cosmetic procedures as well as plastic surgeries have become popular in the past few years. Saudi clerics say it’s OK to have the procedures if they are safe, are done to reverse damage from an accident or to fix a body part or feature that is causing grief to a person. (AP Photo/Hassan Ammar)

By DONNA ABU-NASR (AP) – 12 hours ago

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Does Islam frown on nose jobs? Chemical peels? How about breast implants?

One of the clerics with the answers is Sheik Mohammed al-Nujaimi, and Saudi women flock to him for guidance about going under the knife. The results may not see much light of day in a kingdom where women cover up from head to toe, yet cosmetic surgery is booming.

Religion covers every facet of life in Saudi Arabia, including plastic surgery. Al-Nujaimi draws his guidelines from the consensus that was reached three years ago when clergymen and plastic surgeons met in Riyadh to determine whether cosmetic procedures violate the Islamic tenet against tampering God’s creation.

The verdict was that it’s halal (sanctioned) to augment unusually small breasts, fix features that are causing a person grief, or reverse damage from an accident. But undergoing an unsafe procedure or changing the shape of a “perfect nose” just to resemble a singer or actress is haram (forbidden).

“I get calls from many, many women asking about cosmetic procedures,” said al-Nujaimi told The Associated Press in an interview. “The presentations we got from the doctors made me better equipped to give them guidance.”

In recent years, plastic surgery centers with gleaming facades have sprung up on streets in Riyadh, the capital. Their front-page newspaper ads promise laser treatments, hair implants and liposuction.

From rarities only 10 years ago, the centers now number 35 and are “saturating the Saudi market,” Ahmed al-Otaibi, a Saudi skin specialist, was quoted as saying in the Al-Hayat newspaper.

Al-Otaibi cited a study according to which liposuction, breast augmentations and nose jobs are the most popular among women, while men go for hair implants and nose jobs.

Saudi women see nothing unusual about undergoing plastic surgery and then covering it up in robes and veils.

Sarah, an unmarried, 28-year-old professional woman, pointed out in an interview that underneath their robes, women go in for designer clothes and trendy haircuts to be flaunted at women’s gatherings, shown to their husbands and exposed on trips abroad.

“We attend a lot of private occasions, and we also travel,” said Sarah, who declined to give her full name to protect her privacy.

She said she is contemplating having 22 surgeries, including a breast lift, padding her rear and reversing her down-turned lips into a smile.

She also wants the lips of Lebanese singer Haifa Wehbe, and less flare to her nostrils, though so far her plastic surgeon has refused to do the nose because he doesn’t think it needs altering.

Ayman al-Sheikh, a Saudi doctor who spent almost 14 years in the U.S., most of them at Harvard, said demand in Saudi Arabia is in line with increased global demand. But what he sees more of in the Arab world, including Saudi Arabia, is a customers for procedures that enhance the face to the point where it no longer looks natural.

The trend is being set by entertainers whose pouty lips, chiseled midriffs and enhanced breasts are seen on TV across the Arab world.

Not all customers seek religious sanction, and not all surgeons abide by the clerics’ guidelines, so a woman is apt to pick a surgeon depending on how liberal he is.

“People are overdone by design or by mistake,” al-Sheikh, 43, told the AP. “If something is done on a famous figure it becomes iconic in our world even if it doesn’t look esthetically appealing.”

He said when he returned to the kingdom four years ago, patients initially came with requests for one performer’s nose or another’s cheeks, but that stopped after word spread he was a conservative who believes “every face has its own features.”

The boom in surgery prompted Saudi columnist Abdoo Khal to write a piece titled, “We don’t want you to be Cinderella.”

“Women’s rush to undergo plastic surgery is an obsession resulting from a woman’s insecurity,” he wrote, “and it consolidates the idea that women are for bed only.”
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 04, 2009 12:18 AM »

...and yet we can't pluck/shape our eyebrows....

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 04, 2009 03:37 PM »

sr kathy that made me laugh.... fez  what is the world coming to!  they have this show in the uk called 10 years younger...i think it's something along the lines of the american extreme makeover.  what i find so frightening about the show is the underlying idea, 'oh if you're not happy with this...have surgery and fix it'.  Is is it just me, or is there something creepy about plastic surgery becoming the norm??  I want to grow old in a world where it's not a crime to have wrinkles so I can dye my hair electric blue in peace  Cheesy oldshaykh
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 07, 2009 07:45 PM »

slm, it's sad to think that whereas the hijab liberates us from the necessity of seeking others approval for our physical chracteristics, we still pursue treatments such as this.  Surely if this is neceessry it must be then done for yourself and not to seek approval of others (to show off to other people) or to look like someone else?
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 30, 2010 09:54 AM »

...and yet we can't pluck/shape our eyebrows....
Exactly! If we aren't supposed to temporarily change our bodies, why would anyone think it's OK to permanently do it for purely cosmetic reasons!?! I mean, if there is a medical need for it (cleft lip, deviated septum, etc), then fine. Go for it. But if you just want to look "hot" then no. Step away from the scalpel.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 30, 2010 07:13 PM »

I agree with you sis. Even in time the implants sag, nothing lasts forever. However I can see how these women are dealing with insecurity. You figure in today's world 90% of all items are sold using the female body. There are many girls happy to expose, flaunt, flirt and show what God or surgeon has given them. Everything from shape up shoe commercials that focus on a girls rear to the Victoria Secrets commercial that airs during Disney's Finding Nemo.

I live close to the college part of Pittsburgh aka Oakland, which is also where our Masjid is. Let me tell you, on Friday night or on the way to Saturday night haliqa, I want to blindfold my husband. I almost wreck the car with the sights I see. Wet T-shirt contests, girls in bikini tops and mini skirts. Bouncing around happy to get that look from man. Any man... married or not they don't care. For me, it drives me bonkers! Even if my hubby lowers his gaze you can't avoid this. Sex addiction and porn are growing with in the Muslim communities across the world. This make a women feel insecure, they wanna look beautiful for their men.

When my husband once asked me in all innocence.. "where can I put my eyes" It secretly hurt me. I thought.. OMG. I am not sexy enough! I am covered and working 40+ hours, when I come home I take care of the kids and dinner by 9 pm the last thing I have time for is to get "made-up" and look hot for my husband. Before Islam, I used to get ready in the morning and look good till bed.  Keyword.."I used to". When I see those girls now it turns to anger and jealousy.... Shaytan starts whispering and I remember the days I did not cover, my hair done, make up, eyebrows, sexy low cut shirts and tight jeans dancing at the club with men falling all over me, buying me drinks and giving me loads of attention. Now of course, as fun as that was... back then I did not see it as putting myself down and losing my hereafter. It was 100% accepted in my society, infact it is branded into you. I was raised with the statement "you got then flaunt it". I used my sexuality to get what I wanted from men, it was too easy to have control over them. A sick game that I am ashamed to admit I once loved and was good at. I knew no better. Honestly never gave it a thought. WHAT A WASTE!

I have more self respect for myself. And yes even now and then, on a friday night my living room turns into a dance club, but it is just me and hubby with soda and candles, dancing together. But I can see how these women can start to feel a bit insecure in this day and age, which is so sexually charged.

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« Reply #6 on: Sep 30, 2010 11:32 PM »

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Well girls, I don't think guys should remain all innocent in this. Wink They can control themselves. As the Quran says, they should lower their gaze and try to appreciate what they have when they see something they are attracted to, ie go home and be with their wife. And they should understand the beauty of muslim women is not the same as non-muslims. This is perhaps a hard concept for some of them to understand because of all the cultural advertising/tv/media whatever that makes a certain type of physical beauty (skinny with big..., blonde, white, european features, uncovered) the epitome in our world. But muslim women have haya and culture, love of Allah and their own kind of style and beautifulness. Men should remember this. I don't think women would bleach their skin, starve themselves, get nose jobs, implants etc half so much if they were appreciated as they were.

In related yet offhand news I saw this website the other day: plasticdesis.com and was really shocked how much surgery so many famous ppl have had. It's doubtful anyone famous has had no 'work done' whether bollywood or hollywood. Also educational is seeing those 'stars without makeup' and 'makeup tutorials' on youtube!
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 01, 2010 12:25 PM »

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what a sad article.  I remember reading an article in Iran which mentioned that a lot of women having cosmetic procedures, in particular, nose jobs.  It's just so sad that muslim women feel the need to go down that road, especially considering that Islam gives us self-worth and belief in ourselves as human beings with value, not just pieces of decoration.  That's how I feel anyway.   hijabisis

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 01, 2010 04:49 PM »

This could all be avoided if we take Shaykh Hamza's advice to just turn off the television!
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 02, 2010 09:50 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 03, 2010 12:41 AM »

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I'm sorry, but what on earth are 'unsually small breasts' pray tell?

Who decides if one fits this criteria?

Utterly ridiculous!



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« Reply #11 on: Oct 03, 2010 07:41 AM »

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I'm sorry, but what on earth are 'unsually small breasts' pray tell?

Although it would be subject to a persons opinion, it's generally if you are well past puberty (like in your 20s or older) but are still an A-cup or something like that. Like if you are totally flat. No development at all.  That's my understanding of it anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 03, 2010 12:37 PM »

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Breast size varies according to the weight and build of a person, a size zero person is not gonna have a ff cup, unless she's Barbie.

The whole concept of 'yeah sure you can have a breast augmentation because you're unusually small', while I agree that there must some women out there who could be, is not exactly a scientific approach is it, who decides, and is it just for women who are still in a AA cup size?

Somehow, given the tone of that article, I'm disinclined to think so.



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« Reply #13 on: Oct 03, 2010 11:46 PM »


...and is it just for women who are still in a AA cup size?

okay, that makes me feel sad.  Sad


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« Reply #14 on: Oct 04, 2010 08:31 AM »

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I'm sorry Sr Orangetree, didn't mean to cause offence or upset.

Guess I'm just thinking aloud.

The thing is, who decides what's normal?

The Western media?

In which case Eastern women are most deifnitely not going to fit the norm are they really? Looking at it rationally, there's a girl I work with, she's absolutely gorgeous, however if you took her body curves and put them on my frame, I'd just look fat, she's blonde, on my colouring blonde hair would look ridiculous and ugly, she's english rose porcelaine skinned, on me that would look like I'm suffering from some serious illneness...........equally the other way round would not suit her, give my friend my body curves and she'd look skeletal, my hair would make her look utterly washed out, my skin colour, would make her look just wrong... get the picture?

Who decides what is abnormal or unusual?



There's a man who lives near me, we see him every morning at the bus stop, he's very firendly and sweet, he also has a very visible and painful disability, I thank Allah each day for the healthy body he has given me and my children.





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« Reply #15 on: Oct 04, 2010 11:34 AM »

salam

I'm sorry Sr Orangetree, didn't mean to cause offence or upset.

Guess I'm just thinking aloud.


It's okay Sr Fozia.  I think it's me just being sensitive.  I have my insecurities and I've had to deal with them just like everyone else.  I guess there is no definition of normal.  We come in all shapes and sizes and we should be happy with Allah SWT has given us.

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