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« on: Sep 01, 2009 10:08 AM »


Salaam to all. May Allah bless you with His Light in this Ramadan.

I was reading the Ramadan diaries entries, and came upon this word "desi" over and over again. I don't know what the real meaning of the word is, but it sounds derogatory to my ears. Am I wrong? Or is this label acceptable to all?

I really appreciate all the sisters who have shared their experiences during or even outside of Ramadan, and in sister shahida's case, my sympathies for her situation and to the other women too.

Muslim women today are still among the most discriminated against, whether by their own Muslim brethrens or non-Muslims, so when I read sister shahida's experience, I feel extremely sad... for her, for her situation, and especially to all those women who are so led astray by their own community. It's sad when someone has to lie to their own family or Muslim community about going to do prayers. What have we come to?

So, I think we shouldn't start pointing fingers at anyone and say such prejudicial things like "how typical of them", "desi", etc... it hurts me, even though you're not saying anything about me directly, and it's sad to be hurt by fellow Muslims who have no idea what it's like to be trapped into such a situation.

Peace to all.

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« Reply #1 on: Sep 01, 2009 10:20 AM »

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Desi means from back home, I think it pretty much encompasses india/pakistan/bangladeshi people.

Not derogatory, simply a way of ascertaining the different cultural background and therefore practices within a religion filled with followers from hugely diverse backgrounds.


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« Reply #2 on: Sep 01, 2009 10:36 AM »

wsalam,

yes desi= people from the sub-continent it has no prejudicial meaning anywhere that i know of

(in england paki has some kind of prejudicial meaning in the US it just means short for Pakistani  Cheesy)

desi just means desi i think

but it's true that Muslims from certain parts of the world have different cultural practices. one of those things in the sub-continent is that women do not go to mosques. ever. and unfortunately this has been imported to desi-run mosques in western countries. i don't think this is prejudicial towards them. it's fact. i'm sure other groups of people have other idiosyncrasies.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 01, 2009 03:12 PM »

I suspect "Desi" -> "Des" -> Nation (al) -> "from my nation" (?)
It might be construed as derogatory if one takes it to mean "Natives" in the sense that Colonial officials used it to differentiate themselves from the colonized population.

)just to add to the number of posts I have on the forum  Wink  Embarrassed
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 01, 2009 08:22 PM »

Desi   Indians = Refers to native Indians, non-derogatory even humorous, "des" means "country" and "desi" means fellow countrymen

Wog Indians =   British Imperialists commonly referred to Indians as a "WOG" since they were commonly used as security, it stood for "Warden on Guard".

From Racial Slur Database: http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=indian
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 02, 2009 08:32 AM »

Salam alaikum

No offense was intended at all...!

If you've been around the madina for a while, you'd know how the term desi is used, i.e referring to anyone from the subcontinent.  Desis call themselves desis...and btw it is a term many of us learned here! Wink

it is just easier than writing indian/pakistani/bangladeshi/etc/etc...

dont feel bad, just wondering why you posted anonymously?  We wouldnt have linched you or anything for asking! Wink
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 02, 2009 08:37 PM »

Salaams again everyone.

Thanks for explaining the term. And the other terms introduced! I've learnt a lot.

Please pardon me, sister shahida. I'm juz very self-conscious, and I didn't want to offend anyone.

And yes, actually, I've never been around any "desi" community... but I've stumbled upon the word on occasions. Maybe I should go out and hang around the mosque more often Smiley

Salaams.

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