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« on: Dec 10, 2009 04:04 AM »


Asalamoalaikum,
Another article is up and coming...actually two..but I'll start with this one first -- Free health clinics..did you know that of the approximately 1200 free health clinics in the United States, about 30 are run by Muslims? SubhAllah. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?  As usual, once the article is posted, I will attach the link.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 10, 2009 06:00 AM »

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i think it's awesome that muslims are running these free clinics. charity and giving to others is part of our faith and what better way then through these clinics. i do have to wonder what will happen though if the new healthcare legislation goes through. everyone will be required to get healthcare otherwise they will have to pay a penalty fee!! it sounds pretty ridiculous to me. and amazingly they are fighting the 'government option' so what does that mean? just more customers for the healthcare industry...

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« Reply #2 on: Dec 10, 2009 09:24 AM »

In the UK, and nearly ever other country except America, every health clinic is a free health clinic.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 10, 2009 04:34 PM »

In the UK, and nearly ever other country except America, every health clinic is a free health clinic.

Interesting.. based on your other views does it not bother you to take benefits from the "kuffars" and live in their country?
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 10, 2009 05:42 PM »

The NHS does not belong to the Kaffir and it has nothing to do with kufr.
It is just there, just as the police and fire service are there.
Just like the roads are there, and the air is there.
Making use of it is not an endorsement of the wars they fight to kill our brothers, or the kufr they believe in.
If I am attacked the police will come (or at least they should), if my house is on fire the fire service will come and if I am ill doctors will treat me. This principle of state services being there for everyone is not unique to this country. That principle exists everywhere, whether the nation is a democry or a dictatorship, whether the country is ruled by Islam or kufr.
What you have in America is unique to America, the rest of the world is very different. America only shares that way of doing things with some but not all banana republics and some but not all failed states where the government has completely collapsed.
I don't understand the logic behind your argument, I am against Kaffir because of their kufr, not because of a road or a hospital. SO why shouldn't I make use of the roads and hospitals here.
Your argument will make better sense if you said, "If you like Islam so much why do you live in a country full of Kaffirs ", to answer it I will say, I have tried to leave, there are things keeping me here beyond my control. If Allah removes them from me, Inshallah I will leave. Everything in my control that needs to be done to be able to leave have already been done.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 10, 2009 10:06 PM »

Interesting, so NHS doesn't belong to the Kaffir eh. And it's just like air? Your taxes go to support the NHS which is a government entity. Using their services is tantamount to endorsing the government isn't it. So America is conducting a war on Islam according to you and Britain is what... an innocent bystander?


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« Reply #6 on: Dec 10, 2009 10:42 PM »

Jannah let me put it this way.
You live in America, or stolen Indian land as I call it.
If your house is on fire, and the fire brigade come and put out the fire. That in no way is your endorsement of America, it's crimes against Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places. Its crimes against the Vietnamese and others. By allowing the firebrigade to put some water on your house you are not stating that the creation of that nation built on stolen land is a good thing.
And you are not stating that their way of life, there democracy ad the rest of their kufr are acceptable.
All you are doing is putting out the fire on your house, or allowing them to do it.



When you walk down a street, you are not supporting the people who paved that street. I think you have been hanging around with the "America love it or leave it" crowd for too long, and have taken to using their arguments.
They don't make sense when they use it, and even less sense when Muslims use it.

For example, If Allah grants us Khilafah tomorrow. And the Muslim armies invade Britain, will there still be hospitals? Yes, and I'd say they'd be better. Even though I believe the hospitals will be better under a Khilafah then what they are under Kufr, why should that fact stop me using a hospital now?

But in your case, America doesn't need Khilafah to invade it to make it in to a civilised country. Any invasion will make it a better place than what it is now. As I said before, most countries are too civilised to require free clinics funded by charities.
How is that different from free policemen funded by charities for the poor and real policemen for everyone else?
What about firefighters asking you about payment details before they rescue you from a burning house?

The logic behind your argument is very weak if it was coming from a red neck who stated "if you don't like it here go back to where you came from", because your problem would be with the way of life of the people, not with the location.
But coming from you it makes no sense at all, not even a weak sense. Because by the very fact of living in a country, you will use the services available, whether they are air, water, electricity or hospitals.
The government doesn't take taxes from people they like and give Muslim extremists tax exemption on the bases that Muslims are bad so their money is bad.

I think you have confused to opposites.
Giving money to people who kill Muslims is supporting them. Taking money from them is not supporting them, unless you take that money in exchange for giving them a vital services. Such as Muslims joining Kufr armies to kill Muslims, Muslims Scholars serving kufr regimes in exchange for money and Muslims spying on other Muslims for the kaffir.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 10, 2009 10:57 PM »

And Jannah, I can't help but be offended by your last comment.
Are you accusing me of patriotism?
Let me put it this way, the Kaffir who rule the UK are Puppets of the Kaffir who rule America.
The Kaffir who rule America are puppets of the Kaffir who rule Israel.
The Kaffir who rule Israel are puppets of the Kaffir the Dajjal, their promised one who they await unless he is already here.
The Kaffir the Dajjal is a puppet of Shatan.
There is a difference between giving these people help and taking their help.
If the Zionists, Dajjal, Barak Obama or Shatan himself, want to come in to my house and clean my toilet they are welcome to. But I will still hate them just as much after they finish than before they started. And I will not sell them my soul, in exchange for allowing them to clean my toilet.
Just as I use the roads and hospitals in this country, because I live here, not because I support the Puppets of shatan who rule this country or their wars against my brothers.
The Hospitals here do not belong to the government. They are just there and they will still be there when Allah grants this country's rule to us. then if the kaffir don't like Islamic law, you can tell them to stop using the hospitals.

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 11, 2009 05:31 AM »

Sorry, there is no difference. Whether you take money from a person or give money to a person you are still supporting them. By living in Britain or US or any other country you are inherently supporting the society and government there. And you can say you hate the "kufr" until you are blue in the face, but as you said when your house is on fire, who do you depend on to come put the fire out? "kuffars".

If you truly hate the "kufr" in a society, you would work to educate the society and enjoin them towards good, instead of trying to blame "the others" for your problems which is what I hear from every single post of yours.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 11, 2009 07:02 AM »

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I live in Canada and thank Allah for the health system here, and the increase of Muslim doctors and other health care professionals. I'm glad to see the news about the 30 or so clinics run in the USA by Muslim doctors, Allahu Akbar!

I have many Muslim friends who arrived here in Canada to study and become doctors and specialists. Alhumdulillah

So I have a doctor story - may none of you  have to experience ambulance emergency - but when I was rushed to the hospital and was flying down the hall in a bed with wheels. I awoke to this scene, so I didn't believe it at first and was scared, tears, throwing up - what was going on?

I heard a voice say "Asalam alaikum" it from one of the doctors - Wait, was I dead? He was talking to me and asking my name, keeping me talking. He really made me feel at ease. I don't remember anything else other than an eccentric anesthesiologist.

When I was waking up after surgery a male medical resident came to check on me. I woke up connected to a ton of equipment, not able to move because of a spinal injury. It didn't occur to me I was without hijab at this point. I was trying to figure out if I was dreaming.

He was asking some standard questions, such as if I was a smoker, how much I drink alcohol, and if I have any history of major illness. I told him no to all of the above. He rephrased the question about alcohol, asking if I drank socially. "NOOO IM MUSLIM!!!" He looked at me, speechless. He then turned and left the room, closing the door. I was confused. Then he immediately re-entered, smiled and said, "Asalam alaikum sister". He was re-introducing himself and "starting over". I was laughing inside - we BOTH were guilty! He is Muslim too, a revert like me!
[side note: I've made a full recovery alhumdulillah I had fallen while going down stairs my injury caused spinal fluid leak into bloodstream].

Alhumdulillah for medical care.

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« Reply #10 on: Dec 11, 2009 01:09 PM »

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Wow! Shocked

How are you now?  Insha Allah you have recovered all the way....

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« Reply #11 on: Dec 11, 2009 02:03 PM »

Sorry, there is no difference. Whether you take money from a person or give money to a person you are still supporting them. By living in Britain or US or any other country you are inherently supporting the society and government there.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on that because I don't think this issue is moving forward.
Giving money means they get stronger, taking money means they get weaker. Every unit of currency you take from them is one less unit they have to buy bullets to kill your brothers with. Every unit of tax you give them is one more unit they have to kill your brothers with. Again Jannah, if you believe in the "America love it or leave it", you should leave it.

I do believe Muslims should not live in US and UK, I just didn't think you did? But while we are there the last thing we should do is refuse to charge the government for things they have an obligation to give us. Every penny we let them keep is a penny we donate to our enemies to kill us with.
And again I will repeat I have my reasons for being here, whether they are accepted by Allah when I am dead, Allah only knows.
But I am not going to say being here is Hallal just because I am here.

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Most nations have a health service, So your thanks to Allah is more to do with not being in America then to do with being in Canada. Because you would have been treated equally well, if you were a citizen of the UK, France, Oman, Saudi, Cuba etc etc etc. Imagine if the same thing had happened in America, and instead of being asked about Alcohol and Cigarettes you were asked about your insurance details and credit card numbers?
I donate money to hospitals in really poor countries suffering famine or countries where the health services ordinarily function but stopped doing so because of an invasion. America is not under foreign occupation due to invasion and is not suffering from a famine, but still people need to relight on charity to be kept alive!
For example Iraq, before the invasion it had one of the best health services in the world. Free at the point of need. Comparable to the UK, Canada and Europe. But now it needs charity to function, because the oil wealth that used to pay for the health service is now going to American oil companies.
Not to Americans themselves, because even with all this stolen money and oil, they still have to pay for their health care.


Islamicly when the mujahideen invade a country. The Mujahideen get 4/5th of what is captured and the state gets the remaining 1/5 to spend on services for the citizens.
In America the soldiers get nothing of the war booty, and the state spend nothing of what is captured on the citizens. Instead everything goes to rich companies that paid for Barrack Obama's election campaign.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 11, 2009 02:29 PM »

Salam

The only thing I can say is that if every muslim was like Doninapond, she would never have become muslim.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 11, 2009 05:28 PM »

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Wow! Shocked

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Dear Rahma,

JazakAllah khayran for asking - alhumdulillah  alhamdulillah I have recovered  purplehijabisis all praises due to Allah alone. May Allah bless and protect us all, always, and may His peace and blessings be upon our beloved Messenger and his family and companions, Ameen!



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« Reply #14 on: Dec 11, 2009 07:00 PM »

Humble I'm sure a lot of people feel America's health system is the world's worst, not just Muslims.
I think to improve a system you have to first see that it needs improving.
You can't just say "Our ,,,, is the best in the world", and whoever doesn't think so is just a hater.
If you do that things will never get better.
And that goes for dawa too. I think there is a difference between dawa and sucking up.
When doing Dawa, you can't just say Islam is the truth so become Muslim. You also have to show them what they already have isn't the truth. otherwise they will think, OK Islam is the truth, but the religion I was born with is the truth too, each to his own.

The fact that all countries have a better health system than America is a fact. It is proven by the fact that America needs charity funded clinics, not just some, but a lot. America the richest country in the world needs charity to keep its poor alive. does that make sense?
Because that is happening it means there is something very wrong with America.

I don't think saying this is bad for Dawa, I think it is good for Dawa. Because the people entering Islam in big numbers are the poor, the Hispanics and the blacks. The people without health care.

This is the system they want to export to the Muslim world. Yes I believe the Muslim world needs a new system, but not there System. I don't believe the American system works in America, so there is no way it can possibly work in the Muslim world. We need to implement our own system revealed in our Quran and our Sunnah. They have their democracy which cant even give them health care so we should want our Khilafah which Inshallah will give us free health care better than that given in the UK and France.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 11, 2009 07:19 PM »

Asalaamu Alaikum

As ever, we look forward to the article Sr Mina!

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Then he immediately re-entered, smiled and said, "Asalam alaikum sister".

It's amazing what a smile and a Salam can do, something we should all take note of when interacting with people especially fellow Muslims.

Nice to hear you 'back' on your feet Sr Jen (sorry couldn't resist that one) Wink


In addition just a couple of clarifications on some factual inaccuracies in this thread:


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Every unit of tax you give them is one more unit they have to kill your brothers with.

Whether you like it or not if one resides in the UK, one is helping to fund the British Government's activities in Afghanistan and Iraq (however minimal that amount may be)

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Taking money from them is not supporting them

Again, if one resides in the UK and spends that money in the UK then one is supporting the society one lives in and helping to fund the British Government.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 10, 2010 05:54 PM »

Asalamoalaikum
JazakAllah khair for all the opinons..and am amazed  Shocked at the intensity of the debate.  I will be publishing soon...sorry for the delays.  I didn't receive any emails that I got responses(maybe my settings are off), so I just looked to see all this. 

Again,JazakAllah khair.

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« Reply #17 on: Apr 06, 2010 01:30 AM »

Asalamoalaikum,
Unfortunately, my articles have come to a halt.  Allhamdullilah, I was given the opportunity by IOL, but see here what happened to Islamonline.net


http://bikyamasr.com/?p=11016

Thoughts?? 

JazakAllah khair for all your support. Now...how to continue my articles??

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