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« on: Apr 17, 2008 11:10 PM »


Praying passenger is removed from plane

Thursday, April 17, 2008 |
1:31 PM

A passenger was escorted of an United Airlines flight after praying and ignoring the crew.  A passenger who left his seat to pray in the back of a plane before it took off, ignoring flight attendants' orders to return, was removed by an airport security guard, a witness and the airline said.

The Orthodox Jewish man, who wore a full beard, a black hat and a long black coat, stood near the lavatories and began saying his prayers while the United Airlines jet was being boarded at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday night, fellow passenger Ori Brafman said.

When flight attendants urged the man, who was carrying a religious book, to take his seat, he ignored them, Brafman said. Two friends, who were seated, tried to tell the attendants that the man couldn't stop until his prayers were over in about 2 minutes, he said.

"He doesn't respond to them, but his friends explain that once you start praying you can't stop," said Brafman, who was seated three rows away.

When the man finally stopped praying, he explained that he couldn't interrupt his religious ritual and wasn't trying to be rude. But the attendants summoned a guard to remove him, said Brafman, a writer who had been visiting New York to talk to publishers.

The plane, Flight 9 to San Francisco, took off without the man. It landed at its destination as scheduled, Brafman said by telephone from his home there.

Robin Urbanski, a spokeswoman for United Airlines, a subsidiary of UAL Corp. with headquarters in Chicago, confirmed the man was taken off the plane and put on another flight Thursday morning.

Urbanksi said flights cannot depart if all passengers are not in their seats, which risks a delay, and it is important that passengers listen to the instructions of the flight crew.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs area airports, and the Transportation Safety Administration, which handles airport security, said Thursday they weren't involved in the incident.

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 18, 2008 01:02 PM »

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it is sad that a persons right to their religious obligations are so openly disrespected.  They only took after AFTER he had finished anyway, so why did they have to remove him from the plane?

Do you think perhaps it would have made a difference if he had informed the flight attendant prior to commencing with his prayer?
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 18, 2008 06:18 PM »

As salaamu alaikum

Okay, first I'll say, well at least it wasn't a Muslim this time.

Now, although they reference the fact that the man was praying, the issue that caused his removal wasn't about him praying but rather because he wasn't in his seat and to permit him to remain so would have caused the flight to be delayed which would have created a negative to the airline's reputation.  In his instance, there was no interrogation nor questionning and no long delay before placing him on another flight; of course if he had been Muslim it would have been a different story altoghter.

Do I agree that anyone's right to religious freedom should be infringed upon for any reason?  Not at all.  Religious freedom is essential to freedom period.  But we sadly know that society (or at least some societies) want to become totally secular and push religion out of existence.

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 26, 2008 01:17 PM »

ironic. another reason why we need to work with other religious groups for certain rights.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 27, 2008 02:34 PM »

ironic. another reason why we need to work with other religious groups for certain rights.

You know I agree with you on this point.  The commonalities are what need to be looked at so that the push for inclusive rights can be launched.  Much of the interfaith/interreligious dialogue focuses on bridge building and establishing mutal respect amongst the groups but does need to move forward more in measurable goals.  Got my work cut out for me - tired already Smiley

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