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« on: Oct 04, 2012 04:36 PM »


Anyone watch the debate last night? What'd u guys think? I really don't know who to vote for, I'm thinking no one.   erm

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 04, 2012 06:47 PM »

I really don't know who to vote for, I'm thinking no one.   erm
Although I'm not american, I share the same sentiment with regards to politicians in any country. Every single one of them is pretty much worthless. I'm sure my garbage collector would do a better job than a politician. puke
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 04, 2012 07:27 PM »

Anyone watch the debate last night? What'd u guys think? I really don't know who to vote for, I'm thinking no one.   erm

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how can you not want to vote for obama?  

i didn't watch the debate.  i mean what's the point?  voting republican is not even an option.

you really have no idea how bad politicians can be.  i mean in bangladesh they shut down google services so that my google mail doesn't work (attachements problem) and my website doesn't work, so i had to waste 4 hours today to go somewhere, because i couldn't cancel because google sites dont work.

and i haven't even begun to start talking about the real stuff -- like the people who killed a village of buddhists last week in bangladesh.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 04, 2012 08:22 PM »

noooooooo VOTE always VOTE, it's our hard won right and the only thing that gives us power to change our own lives.

Vote and get friends and family to vote too.....

And when My servants question thee concerning Me, then surely I am nigh. I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he crieth unto Me. So let them hear My call and let them trust in Me, in order that they may be led aright. Surah 2  Verse 186
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 04, 2012 08:58 PM »

I really don't know who to vote for, I'm thinking no one.   erm
Although I'm not american, I share the same sentiment with regards to politicians in any country. Every single one of them is pretty much worthless. I'm sure my garbage collector would do a better job than a politician. puke

is it true that sonia gandhi is worth $18B?

somebody told me this recently, and my jaw dropped.  (i haven't managed to pick it up yet).
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 04, 2012 10:01 PM »

I watched with Amma as I worked out (Amma wanted to watch it more). Aunty, don't get mad, but I think you said the same to me, but I had decided not to vote after the NDAA passed (the detention act). There has been this strongly-worded article circulating: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/

I've gotten a bit of flack from two American Muslim women that I respect and am "buddies" with on Twitter, CAIR-San Francisco rep Zahra Billoo and liberal Iranian American, Fatemeh Fakhraie (who is based here in Oregon). Sr. Zahra is voting for a 3rd party (green party) and Fatemeh said that while she respects my decision not to vote, she doesn't agree with it. The two party system is the problem. Not that I know how to solve it. Also, there is the lesser of two evils argument, but I know most both Muslims and non-Muslim alike are turned off by the drones and other issues that have crossed the line and I think we've discussed about how Obama has gone even further than Bush, and that's saying something when it comes to FP.

Yet, I do think Obama is better for America, again, only two options. Obama didn't do well at all during the debate and most analysts are saying Romney won it outright but it's the voting that counts. My Abba once also did protest vote thing and voted for Ralph Nader (he got 5% of the total vote and probably damaged the Democrats chances in some states).

Anyways, I'll be leaving home next week for 3 months and am not bothered to get a absentee ballot, though I'll still be in the country.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 04, 2012 10:55 PM »

A wise person once told me, if you dont vote, don't complain with what you end up with.




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« Reply #7 on: Oct 04, 2012 11:24 PM »

Lucid I won't be surprised if it turns out she's worth $180B! That's the only thing politicians can do - plunder!
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 06, 2012 04:31 PM »

I've never vote(presidential polls) in my life and am not planning to do so in the near future. You vote for someone and all they think is how they will live their lives when they are no longer in power. If you feel voting is a right you want to exercise go for it sister. But me, nope!
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 06, 2012 06:18 PM »

I'm definitely voting for Obama, in the debate he didn't even mention the 47 percent comment because he's gentleman. It was his 20th anniversary by the way.

To not vote is not only detrimental to that individual, but also to the society at large. So vote people even if you have to vote for the lesser of the two evil insha'Allah.

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 06, 2012 06:31 PM »

Auntyji, in India we get the same thing regardless of whether we vote or not. But last time and even in future, I took and will take the "lesser of the two evils" route, because the major opposition to the current ruling party is extreme right wing. And hindus with swords implies dead muslims. Although, I might give up voting if all the major parties decide to become radically anti muslim all of a sudden.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 06, 2012 08:25 PM »

I don't know if any country can surpass the level of corruption associated with the entire voting process that we have in India.Few contesting parties in our country go to the length of bribing poor people (who are many in number) with meager amount of money to lure them into voting for them.And there are instances of goons controlling polling stations, forcing people to vote for a particular party, eliciting violence and tampering with  ballot boxes.

But people of  bigger cities and places with stringent security and discipline (thankfully many) do have a fair opportunity to vote that is truly valued.
And  yes,there is always this "voting for lesser of the two evils" that has to be done.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 07, 2012 09:12 AM »

I've never vote(presidential polls) in my life and am not planning to do so in the near future. You vote for someone and all they think is how they will live their lives when they are no longer in power. If you feel voting is a right you want to exercise go for it sister. But me, nope!


That's silly.  People in Syria are being massacred simply because of their desire to vote. 

Voting will not lead to honest people in power but it sets a maximum limit of devilishness in the people running government.  In autocracies the amount of devilishness is unbounded.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 07, 2012 10:34 AM »

We should vote. I was moving house & I didn't vote during last general election in UK. Thankfully I didn't, cos I was against Labour & Tories.. Their manifestos seemed the same to me, but if I had voted at the time, I would've voted Liberal Democrats. Alhamdulillah, blessing in disguise I wasn't able to vote & The Tories & Lib Dems set up a coalition government. If HAD voted Lib Dem, I would've been seething at the thought of them joining ranks with the Tories.

Now, when next election comes round.. I think I will be voting lesser of the 2 evils or the Greeen Party. Probably.

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 07, 2012 03:24 PM »

In the last UK general election, none of my family voted because my dad ticked some boxes on a form by mistake which meant we weren't registered.  It was such an odd feeling not voting.  Like I definitely felt the absence of it, of not getting my say in who should be in government. 

I think it's important to vote especially in America.  Whoever runs the country effects the whole world in terms of foreign policy so pls get it right exercise your right to vote!

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« Reply #15 on: Oct 17, 2012 03:52 AM »

I think Obama redeemed himself a little in tonight's debate. People remember why they voted for him I think. Although I felt like he was really on the defense more in the beginning then turned up the offense, could be a good strategy....

orangetree good point.... although Obama's foreign policy hasn't been great ie drones, gitmo, wars etc, but at least he hasn't started more wars??

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« Reply #16 on: Oct 22, 2012 01:02 PM »

A.A.

You know what makes these debates suck ? Its the things they "do not" debate about...

These debates are just tricks if you ask me - tricks to give people an illusion of choice while they have none in fact! There you have two guys debating over what 10% of their differences? And obviously no talk about 90% of the things they would agree on because thats what the "establishment" would do regardless of who wins from the two. But people watch it like a match, rooting for their candidates.

I wonder why don't American Muslims vote for Ron Paul ? Just because they "think" that every vote for Ron means one less vote for Obama, and hence would get Romney in lead. So what? Just do the right thing regardless of the result. Voting is a right and should be exercised, but doing the sort of math people are doing is pointless. Remember the story of Abrahim, when a Sparrow tried to put out the fire by carrying drops of water in her beak? It teaches us to do the right thing no matter what chances of success there might be... If everyone who in principle agrees with Ron Paul, actually votes for him, this would make Ron stronger and Obama and Romney all the more weaker. And if not in this election, Ron could be successful in the next... who knows!

In Pakistan we have hope in Imran Khan and PTI. We have a real choice now after 15 years of struggle. The Muslim League and People's Party, as the only two big parties have been involved in corruption and working against the interest of Pakistanis. It took 15 years for another big party to emerge and challenge the corrupt system. So people like Ron Paul can also get in power if Americans keep backing them.

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 22, 2012 05:15 PM »



I wonder why don't American Muslims vote for Ron Paul ? Just because they "think" that every vote for Ron means one less vote for Obama, and hence would get Romney in lead. So what? Just do the right thing regardless of the result. Voting is a right and should be exercised, but doing the sort of math people are doing is pointless. Remember the story of Abrahim, when a Sparrow tried to put out the fire by carrying drops of water in her beak? It teaches us to do the right thing no matter what chances of success are there... If everyone who in principle agrees with Ron Paul, actually votes for him, this would make Ron stronger and Obama and Romney all the more weaker. And if not in this election, Ron could be successful in the next... who knows!




Preach it, Brother! Grin

Keep in mind it's not just Obama supporters that want to vote for Ron Paul.  There are a LOT of Republicans that are fed up with the Republican party!  Unfortunately, Ron Paul isn't running.  I've heard that many people want to write his name in.  But the state I'm in doesn't allow write-ins. 

But if you're an American who is fed up with the two party system and the two *ahem* gentlemen that represent it,
THEN PLEASE VOTE THIRD PARTY!!

It doesn't matter whether they win or not.  You'd be sending a message.  You'd be voting your conscience. 
For those who are interested, Gary Johnson is apparently on the ballot in all 50 states.  He's on the Libertarian Ticket.  His views are very similar to Ron Paul's.

Of course with Romney's family buying many of the voting machines (http://news.yahoo.com/romney-family-investment-ties-voting-machine-company-could-003209723.html), you gotta wonder if our votes count at all...

Welcome to the Banana Republic of the United States of America... Sad
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 24, 2012 01:20 AM »

It is always wise to vote rather than not vote. Every single vote counts. Rather than sit on the fence, choose one and vote.

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When he invokes Me, I am with him.
If he reflects on Me in secret, I reply in secret,
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I acknowledge him in a far superior assembly."

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« Reply #19 on: Oct 24, 2012 01:56 AM »

I heard the third party are a good alternative-we're seeing the Green Party debate tonight live.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 24, 2012 05:50 PM »

There are other options besides Tweedledum and Tweedledee:

US Third Party Presidential Debate (Moderated by Larry King)
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 24, 2012 10:09 PM »

I watched the final debate - Obama again outperformed Romeny and I also have to update from what I said above - before I left home for Georgia (where I am currently, Romeny country of course - hello Bible belt for the second time this year for me), I picked up a ballot....AND.....I voted.....for my fellow DOCTOR - Jill Stein. Yup. I did. Go ahead and get angry lool, but though Oregon has a lot of conservatives, Dems usually end up carrying the state, and it's not one of the swing states, though it could be closer this year, not sure.

So yeah, I voted 3rd party. You should vote Sis J - i didn't want to as I said, but one does feel left out as has been stated above.

Anyways, that is it from me.

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« Reply #22 on: Oct 25, 2012 04:15 AM »

Salam,

I'd like to vote, but in the process of moving countries so really busy!! I dunno if I'm registered even. Last time I voted: 4 years ago!!!

I overheard a looot of people talking about the debates while traveling recently. These train conductor/window guys were having like a HUGE riotious discussion about it. It was very fascinating. And views are definitely not made up!! I have a feeling a lot of people will be in the voting booth deciding then and there!!
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 26, 2012 03:09 AM »

That's understandable Sis J - you've been busy with personal stuff and the moving.  yeah, seems like there a lot of undecided voters even now.

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 06, 2012 05:38 PM »

I can't just not vote people!! It's giving me the itchies... going out in a lil while!! It is FREEZING here hope there are no lines!! I noticed they closed the closer polling station to me Sad Sad
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