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« on: Feb 11, 2013 08:44 AM »


Further to the inexact response of Sister Yasmin Mogahed to Shaykh Daniel's initial article on the subject which has been spread throughout the internet and her facebooks fans we feel the need to clarify the position of all Ulama/teachers at Cordoba Academy led by Shaykh Mohammed Daniel.

Sister Yasmin posted this in response to the above ruling:
"Islam came to liberate us-not to become a weapon we use to bully others. Perhaps those who feel compelled to publicly condemn female speakers, and even use specific names, may benefit from Shaykh Akram Nadawi's 50+ volume series on nearly 9000 Muslim women teachers of our tradition who taught both men and women--most without niqab"

Shaykh Mohammed Daniel responds with this:

As salam mu alaikum wa rahmat Ullah

Esteemed Sister,
Yasmin Mogahed

Thank you for posting your response to my statement regarding the issue of female lecturers lecturing males and the vices that it may contain.  I do not write this response to your statement with the intention of entering into polemics, but so that we may collectively come to the truth as one of this Ummah's greatest teachers Imam al-Shafi'ee (RA) famously said:

ما ناظرني أحد فباليت أظهرت الحجة على لسانه أو على لساني
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I have not debated a person except that it bothers me not, whether the proof is established on their tongue or on mine.
Your statement: "a weapon we use to bully others"

Know well, may Allah preserve and strengthen you, that the context of my statement was not one of "a weapon we use to bully others" as you stated in your response, but it was actually in response to the question of a confused revert sister who had become despondent at the lack of address of this issue. (see here)  I also felt that it could negatively affect her matrimonial life.  Furthermore, I did not want to invoke the wrath of Allah upon myself, by ignoring the plea of this noble sister and engaging in the obscurantism of the sacred sciences.  
 
Your statement,"Perhaps those who feel compelled to publicly condemn female speakers …"

Respectable sister, may Allah guide you and me to the truth, this is not an accurate representation of my statement as I did not condemn female speakers per se, rather I was addressing the issue of female speakers addressing men as I said clearly in the opening lines of my statement.

"I would like to provide you with a non exhaustive list of the vices that occur when such lectures are conducted to a mixed gender audience"

In fact, had you read my statement attentively, you would have come across the following passages in which I clearly encouraged female speakers/scholarship by saying:

As our deen is Nasiha, I feel that my answer on this topic would be incomplete if I do not offer some at this juncture.  I would like to offer all sisters the advice that they should contemplate their actions and search for and weigh the positives and negative elements of what they are doing in lecturing men.  Looking at Muslim population statistics, the number of women in the Ummah is more than that of men and therefore the need for sisters is great.  I recommend that sisters should specialize in issues that their fellow sisters would feel more comfortable discussing with them as there is a genuine need for this in the Ummah and leave the lecturing of men to the same gender.  This would be a far more effective use of human resources in the Ummah.

And:

"Finally, those of you whom have studied with me, know that I am always encouraging female scholarship in Islam by giving examples of great female scholars of the past in the hope that I can motivate my sisters to be more perceptive in their pursuit of the Sacred Sciences, so let not any person say that I am stepping on women's rights or anything of the sort."

Your statement: "and even use specific names…"

Virtuous sister, this too is an inaccurate account of what I wrote and I can only assume that you were genuinely too busy to read my statement or felt that it was not of importance to you.
In the precursor to my statement on the subject, I clearly showed my intention to generalize the issue by stating:
 
"In order for me to answer this question and address the specifics of it, I would need to know more information about the nature of these lectures and how they are to be conducted as well as other information that will come in the context of my answer.  As this information is not available to me now, my answer will provide general guidelines about the topic."
 
Furthermore, when the post was submitted it contained your full name in the title which I had removed as well as having a reminder posted that stated.
 
"The title was changed to remove names but the first post cannot be changed in this forum.  In future, we ask that names are not used if the question can be made general."  In a later post, I also stated this.
 
"Secondly, the Ulama have given preference to not mentioning the name of the individual if it is possible when asking for a ruling which is something we realize."
 
It should thus be clear from the above that I made a sincere effort not to use 'specific names' openly even if it is my prerogative to use specific names based on what the scholars have said in this regard.  In fact, a little known fact that can be found in the books of the muhaditheen, (you stated Dr Akram's book) is that they would have special sessions in which they would permissibly backbite.  You may ask yourself why then did I go to such an effort?  The answer is in the saying of the great sage and scholar al-Fudail ibn Iyadh when he said:

المؤمن يستر وينصح والفاجر يهتك ويُعيِّر
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"The Mumin conceals and advises and the persistent evil doer disgraces and condemns."

Now at the beginning of your facebook post you stated "Islam came to liberate us…"

May I kindly ask you, to be more careful when making such statements or quotations of people from the past because you are a very gifted sister with a strong following and your statements can be misconstrued or deliberately manipulated to promote objectives that I am quite sure you do not seek to promote.  The object pronoun 'us' in your post was it referring to women, Muslims or humans? [ii]  I am sure you can appreciate the connotation and what I am trying to say. 

Your statement …may benefit from Shaykh Akram Nadawi's 50+ volume series on nearly 9000 Muslim women teachers of our tradition who taught both men and women--most without niqab
 
Despite being a very beneficial statement for the promotion of the book, it does little to come to the truth of the matter for numerous reasons including the fact that the book, to the best of my knowledge, has not been published yet, so I am unable to refer to it.  Have you read the book and did you manage to gather the exact number of young women who travelled around without a mahram, teaching mixed-gender gatherings of lay people without a screen or face veil (niqab)? (even though I never mentioned niqab in my statement and respect the sisters who do not wear niqab as one may read here)  If you could you kindly enlighten me to your findings so that I may be guided to the truth and retract my statement if need be.  If you do not have the answer, could you kindly ask Dr Akram Nadwi [iii] or your sister Dalia Mogahed [iv] who are both scholars (as in wiki links provided below) to provide precise proofs to support your practice.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Servant of Allah
Mohammed Daniel
Cordoba Academy
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 The scholars have stated that it is a major sin for a person who possesses knowledge to withhold it from those who request it of them and they base this on the following proofs:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَى مِن بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ أُولَـئِكَ يَلعَنُهُمُ اللّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ
Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse. (al-Baqarah 159-160)
وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ لَتُبَيِّنُنَّهُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلاَ تَكْتُمُونَهُ فَنَبَذُوهُ وَرَاء ظُهُورِهِمْ وَاشْتَرَوْاْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَبِئْسَ مَا يَشْتَرُونَ
And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! (ale-Imran 187)
In an authentic hadith that can be found in numerous books including the Sunan of Abu Dawood and Jami of Imam al-Tirmidhi we find the following: “Whomsoever is questioned about a matter of knowledge and withholds it will be branded with a brand of fire on the Day of Judgment.”
 [ii] Could it be the statement of the famous Sahabi Ribee (RA) when he said:
الله ابتعثنا والله جاء بنا لنخرج من شاء من عبادة العباد إلى عبادة الله، ومن ضيق الدنيا إلى سعتها , ومن جور الأديان إلى عدل الإسلام
 [iii] See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Akram_Nadwi
 [iv] See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalia_Mogahed
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 13, 2013 06:17 PM »

Salam,

I have difficulty in understanding why this "Naseeha" and the other one "correcting" Imam Suhaib Webb is being spread across the internet. If someone has Naseeha or a "correction" to give a scholar or speaker they should do that personally. It is obvious that Mohammed Daniel is of the opinion of what he wrote. While I don't see anything wrong with the initial article condemning female speakers and their audiences (even if that's not my opinion or other scholars) because that is his opinion based on whatever background he has, but making it personal and attacking a specific sister who has done MUCH good as a Da'ee and Muslimah is wrong.

Furthermore, I add here the words of Mufti Ismail Menk,

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Small minded people believe their success depends on how well they attack those doing the work & accuse them, yet they have no beneficial contribution themselves.

True leaders concentrate on positively & tirelessly benefiting humanity whilst others have nothing better to do than sit on the sidelines & keep attacking.

Your success is not dependent on the failure of others so leave them alone.

Your success depends on how hard you work to serve humanity for the Pleasure of the Almighty.

As you climb the mountain, be focused & don't be distracted by those beneath throwing stones at you.

Whilst some are busy using their candle to light countless candles, others are trapped in their belief that their candle will only shine if they blow out the rest.



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« Reply #2 on: Feb 13, 2013 11:42 PM »

Whoa, I hadn't heard about this until now....I follow Sr. Yasmin's updates somewhat regularly but wasn't aware of this exchange.

The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another:  [9:71]
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 14, 2013 03:59 AM »

MashaAllah,such beautiful and powerful words from Mufti Menk.Thanks for highlighting them Sis J.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 14, 2013 06:28 AM »

Mufti Menk rocks, mashaAllah.  I find this whole thing just so...whats the word? tactless? unnecessary?

Unfortunately we live in a world where most people are trying to extinguish everyone else's flame, thinking it will make theirs burn brighter.  It is sad...

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 17, 2013 05:37 PM »

what is the issue here?

why would anyone object to women lecturing men?

i have been lectured to my whole life by women -- mother, sisters, etc..  so if it turns out they can't lecture me, wow! that'd be cool.  but i think women would find other ways to let their feelings known -- (lucid, nervously looks around, finds the baseball bat and immediately hides it.)
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 14, 2013 11:52 AM »

Salam,

I have difficulty in understanding why this "Naseeha" and the other one "correcting" Imam Suhaib Webb is being spread across the internet. If someone has Naseeha or a "correction" to give a scholar or speaker they should do that personally. It is obvious that Mohammed Daniel is of the opinion of what he wrote. While I don't see anything wrong with the initial article condemning female speakers and their audiences (even if that's not my opinion or other scholars) because that is his opinion based on whatever background he has, but making it personal and attacking a specific sister who has done MUCH good as a Da'ee and Muslimah is wrong.

Furthermore, I add here the words of Mufti Ismail Menk,

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Small minded people believe their success depends on how well they attack those doing the work & accuse them, yet they have no beneficial contribution themselves.

True leaders concentrate on positively & tirelessly benefiting humanity whilst others have nothing better to do than sit on the sidelines & keep attacking.

Your success is not dependent on the failure of others so leave them alone.

Your success depends on how hard you work to serve humanity for the Pleasure of the Almighty.

As you climb the mountain, be focused & don't be distracted by those beneath throwing stones at you.

Whilst some are busy using their candle to light countless candles, others are trapped in their belief that their candle will only shine if they blow out the rest.




It is not about burning candles its about defending Islam against modernists.
http://forum.cordobaacademy.com/2012/12/05/permissible-backbiting-is-there-such-a-thing/0/
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 14, 2013 06:45 PM »

Yasmin Mojahed is a modernist?? That's pretty far-fetched. If she's a modernist so is 90% of the Ummah.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 16, 2013 03:59 PM »

I have nothing much to add here because i am quiet unaware of about this issue and about Shayk Daniel. But I appreciate the polite language he has used. Religious scholrs in some parts of the world don't even find necessary that decency while debating with someone who has committed a crime of holding a view different from their's. I have seen some 'scholars/ clerics' debating like......there is a very appropriate word for them but I won't use it. Softness of tone resolves half the issue....no wonder Islam places so much emphasis on politeness
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013 12:15 AM »

Here's a response sent to me on this issue.



Yasmin Mogahed and Shaykh Muhammad Akram Nadwi: Evaluation of this Fiasco

With the recent fiasco concerning the event organised by the reputable organisation Al Buruj Press with Sister Yasmin Mogahed, one is compelled to write and raise justified concerns on both sides. As I am not affiliated with any organisation, I hope to write this in a neutral and balanced approach.



As investigated, Sister Yasmin Mogahed will be coming to Dewsbury Town Hall on the 29th May 2013 to address a female only audience. Countless accusations have been thrown by the ‘Moulanas’ of Dewsbury/Batley and the self-acclaimed ‘Shaykh’ Muhammad Daniel, who have circulated through their Whatsapp groups and forums (Cordoba Academy/ Central Mosque) calls of deviancy of both Yasmin Mogahed and the respected Alim, Shaykh Muhammad Akram Nadwi.



Concerning Yasmin, the direct accusations thrown have been the following:



Yasmin does not observe hijab



Yasmin does not observe purdah



Yasmin’s Aqeeda is incorrect



Yasmin believes the Qur’an is created



Yasmin is not an Alima.



Yasmin has modernist tendencies



Wears makeup and unsuitable body movements



Concerning Shaykh Muhammad Akram Nadwi, the accusations are the following:



Shaykh Muhammad Akram allows free mixing



Shaykh Muhammad Akram has given women a higher position than Allah



Shaykh Muhammad Akram believes women were indeed prophets



And I’m pretty sure more accusations have been thrown!



Concerning the accusations thrown at Yasmin Mogahed, any sane individual who researches her work and analyses her message would clearly and categorically reject emphatically the accusations thrown against her. The character assassination attempted on her by these ‘people of knowledge’ is clearly far-fetched, ridiculous, full of pity and deserves and has no Scholarly credit. Any individual who researches Yasmin Mogahed can see the Sister observing her hijab modestly. Furthermore, baseless accusations on her Aqeedah being deviant are not from any written work or recordings and is a ploy designed to scare the masses.



The comedy carries on. Yasmin makes unsuitable body movements, jokes and wears make up. What ludicrous jargon this is! I don’t know about you but I can’t see any make up nor unsuitable body movement which really is none of my business or anyone’s, have some shame! The question dear Moulana’s arises here, why are you looking in the first place? HARAM HARAM to look at a woman and listen no? There’s great irony in the accusations put forward. In addition, another recent argument put forward against Yasmin Mogahed is of having no credentials, Yasmin Mogahed we are told is no Alima thus she cannot speak. A few things to think about here. There is no Sharia principle to dictate one having to be an Alima to deliver a lecture. If this was such pre-requisite in Sharia, then surely Fatawas need to be issued against the Tablighi Jama’ah to cease their daily activities in mosques all over the world. Dozens upon dozens who lead and lecture on behalf of the Tablighi movement are unable to go outside the 6 point principle, Faza’il Amal and are actively giving talks in mosques and houses on a daily basis. Knowing anything else is seen as a bonus! To level this as an argument against Yasmin Mogahed, clearly shows the great contradiction by these Molvis.



Finally, to disagree concerning her speaking in front of a mixed audience is fine and justified when done in the best of manners. In this whole fiasco, no respect, manners nor etiquettes have been observed. Countless lies have been thrown on the respected sister. Honestly how would it feel if your own sister had to experience this from a group of selfish Molvis? She is our sister and respect and etiquette should and must be shown.



Shaykh Muhammad Akram Nadwi is a God fearing scholar who is known for his piety, deep scholarship and acceptance from giants all over the globe. The accusations thrown on him go near enough in accusing him of Kufr. These ignorant individuals who started this campaign with the most bitter intentions have forgotten the purpose of their learning. Knowledge not leading to any benefit is similar to a donkey carrying books! Any individual who has a problem or difference with the respected Shaykh, should naturally have had the audacity and courage to raise concerns directly.



Now tell me, who is this self-acclaimed internet milkshaykh, Muhammad Daniel of Cordoba Academy? A pseudo salafi and branded a liar on Multaqa al Hadith (See for yourselves-Arabic version), many individuals have confirmed this man having not received any long term formal Islamic education except the Hadith readings he attends. With history refuting others in the past, Muhammad Daniel has now suddenly accepted the title of Shaykh which has been put by him and his followers. The Cordoba Academy he runs through his computer screen at home has become a platform via it’s forum for Daniel to write against notable individuals and scholars. The whole irony here is of the Deobandis of Dewsbury and Batley taking this man’s fatawa and using it as a basis for their opposition to the event on the 29th May 2013. Muhammad Daniels Fatwa on Yasmin Mogahed, which I read holding my hands to my mouth, clearly demonstrated the weakness, inexperience, and incompetence of this man. Twisting ideas and verses, he attempts to use personal experiences and perceptions as the sole reason negating Yasmin Mogahed. I would appeal to the community strongly to ignore this awful written work of Muhammad Daniel and anything associated with him. This individual is not a shaykh, not a learned person of knowledge and is a fitna trying to divide individuals and communities hidden behind his computer.



The drama continues! The South African Ulama recently gave a Fatwa via Muftisays.com. Honestly, who takes the South African’s serious? Who gave them the authority to send a Fatwa with regards to a matter in the UK? Was the information bias free and investigated before issuing the Fatwa or was it really a Fatwa given to serve the interests of a few?



Quoting the Fatwa: ‘ if the Ulama and the pious of that area attest to the piety of a specific woman, then after adopting all measures in terms of purdah, they may allow her to address a group of women in private.’



What utter nonsense is this? Which traditional understanding has given this? How can Ulama ‘attest’ to the piety of anyone let alone a women?





And the Fatwa finishes of as Ibn Sirin (rh) said: ‘This Knowledge is a Matter of Deen, so be careful who you take your deen from.’



Well I bloody think you need to take this advice before anyone else!



This whole fiasco clearly demonstrates a few things. When humans feel power, influence and authority is starting to erode, they become intimidated and begin to look how to stop this occurring. In our context, these specific Moulanas have issued reckless Fatawa and accused with slander the highest level in order to deter people from attending. Religion and its tools are used for the benefit of the arrogant.



Dewsbury and Batley rarely have events or provisions in which sisters are facilitated. Anyone who knows the area would clearly be able to tell you radio receivers and a few private house circles are the most women get apart from a few rare ladies only events. The arguments presented against Yasmin Mogahed have a much wider context than the eye can see. It’s about ‘Moulanas’ feeling intimated, powerless and jealous of outsiders coming and having a huge reception from the community.



With huge irony, recently the respected Sister Yvonne Ridley came to Batley organized by the IMWS, a well-respected organization based in Batley. This event occurred on Sunday 16th December 2012. Why were there no calls for boycott or the issuing of any Fatawa made against her? She addresses mix crowds and certainly isn’t an Alimah!. With all respect to Sister Yvonne Ridley, Yasmin Mogahed is definitely more equipped, better versed in her understanding of religion and has helped the lives of many sisters around the world. This begs one to ask, what is the problem really here? As IMWS is an organisation from Batley with its own board of scholars alongside it’s committee, it is totally accepted as the organization is not seen as of any threat. Alongside this in the eyes of these Molvis, Yvonne Ridley is not seen as being able gain supporters from the locals.



On the contrary, as the Yasmin Mogahed event is being held by an organization outside the locality with a speaker who has an incredible influence over the sisters, this is seen as entering the ‘turf’ of these Moulanas and soon taking their ‘God given’ authority which they believe they have over the masses. This is the only sensible and logical conclusion to why this is all happening. It is the Clergy fighting to hold on to power due to feeling threatened by outsiders!



History tells us about Dewsbury/Batley when the respected Shaykh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi (rh), Mufti Taqi Uthmani and others came more than a decade ago, calls for boycott were also made. Dewsbury and Batley, it’s to wake up and smell the coffee!



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