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« on: Feb 18, 2013 10:43 AM »


Breakthrough: Saudi women can pass on citizenship to their children


Sunday, 17 February 2013 06:56


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Al Arabiya
 
The Saudi Ministry of Labor and the Passport General Department announced granting Saudi citizenship to children of Saudi women married to foreign men following a new decree, a local newspaper reported Saturday.
 


The new decree stipulates that the state will pay for the residence fees of children who are half Saudis but from foreign fathers and will allow them to work in Saudi private sector companies, Al-Riyadh newspaper reported.
 
The paper said the children will be treated as Saudi citizens in education and medical care and will be included in the Saudization program in the private sector.
 
Every Saudi woman will also be allowed to bring her husband to the kingdom and become his sponsor without the phrase "husband of Saudi citizen."
 
Husbands will be allowed to work in the Saudi private sectors provided that they hold an internationally recognized passport that enables them to go back to their countries any time.
 
The mother will also sponsor the children who can live in the kingdom as long as there are no security concerns that could hinder that.
 
For this decree to be applicable, Saudi women have to have married their husbands with the permission of the relevant bodies and the children have to possess valid identification documents.
 
According to recent statistics issued by the Saudi Minister of Labor, 1,988 Saudi women married foreign men in 2011—548 from Mecca, 543 from Riyadh, and 490 from the Eastern Province.
 
The least amount of women who married foreigners came from al-Baha with only four marriages, Tabouk with five marriages, and al-Jawf with eight marriages.
 
The report revealed that Yemenis ranked first among foreign men who married Saudi women as their number reached 456, followed by Kuwaitis with 351 marriages, Qataris 247, Syrian 149, Emiratis 124, Egyptians 111, Lebanese 66, and Pakistanis with 46 marriages.
 
According to the report, eight Americans, seven Brits and Europeans, and three Turks married Saudi women in the same year. Men from Indonesia, Djibouti, and Chad ranked last among foreigners who married Saudi women with one marriage for each of those countries.
 
The report added that number of divorce cases in these mixed marriages has amounted to 307, that is 0.9% of the total marriages. Yemenis came first in divorce with 70 cases, followed by Qataris with 24 then Kuwaitis with 19 divorces cases.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 18, 2013 11:00 AM »

This rule should have been made a long time ago.
Children have died because of it and ladies are getting too old to get married because of it.
There is a family I know where the Husband is Spanish and the wife is Saudi.
Well he isn't really Spanish. I don't think he has ever been there. He was born in Saudi. Saudi Arabia gives nationality by paternal ancestry, not birth. So because he has Spanish ancestry he has Spanish citizenship and not Saudi.

This means the children they had, had no citizenship of any country.
One of their children died, because no country was willing to pay for the child's treatment.
Because of this reason UAE changed this law a long time ago and have been giving citizenship to the Children of UAE mothers for a long time.

Because marrying Non-GCC men can leave children without citizenship of any country few Saudi Women take that as an option unless the woman is willing to leave the country with her husband so the children can take the nationality of the country they move too.

That fact that Saudi men can marry non-GCC brides and pass citizenship on to their kids while Saudi women can't has meant a lot more Saudi men married foreign women than Saudi women. This meant it has been very hard for Saudi women to find husbands and many have now reached the age where they will never find one.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 18, 2013 12:48 PM »

These rules usually remain on paper. I'm skeptic. May Allah ease the difficulty of the people involved.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 18, 2013 02:26 PM »

I'm not skeptical about the implementation. It can't be because it is such a small step, there is no reason not to do it.
After reading it seems that the title is wrong.
It seems like the children of Saudi Mothers are not being offered real citizenship like they now get in UAE but some sort of permanent residence.
Previously if the couple divorced the mother would lose the child because the child has no right to stay in the Kingdom.
Basically all that it seems is being offered is the mother can grant her own husband and her own children right of stay in the same way she can grant a foreigner she hires to work for her such as a driver, cook or cleaner the right of stay.
This is such a tiny step that I think it is impossible not to implement even for the Saudis.
It also requires the Husband to have a valid passport of another country. That cuts out Palestinians and Rahongis.
To be honest with you I don't think it is much of a change at all. Each Saudi citizen gets 10 visas which they can use to bring in 10 foreign workers or they can sell to others who need more than 10 workers. She has always had the power to keep her husband in the country as her worker. beyond changing the fact that when she uses one of her 10 worker visas for her Husband she states she is keeping him in the country as her husband and not as her cleaner I can't see much of a change. Previously her children would have stayed as her Husband's children, now they can stay as her own, big deal.
Even so it is an improvement how ever small, that will improve the rights of education, medical treatment and employment of these children with Saudi mothers, even though it seems like they will still not have true Saudi citizenship.
This can mean they might not have citizenship of any country because many countries require birth in the country for citizenship.
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